Easy Riders on the Flipside

EASY RIDERS ON THE FLIPSIDE

Luana Anders and Peter Fonda meeting up

In the continuing research into the flipside, Jennifer Shaffer and I meet up weekly to discuss the latest news from our pals on the flipside.  

In this case, I decided to see if it was possible to interview Peter Fonda.  For those of you who don't know Peter, this interview gives some intimate details about him.

Jennifer and I have been doing this for some years now, meeting weekly to see who comes forward. My questions are in Italics, and Jennifer's answers are in bold. This is an excerpt from the upcoming book; "Backstage Pass to the Flipside (Part three) "Class is in Session." (tentative title)

I will be talking about this new book on COAST TO COAST WITH GEORGE NOORY this Friday night.  Tune in if you want to hear the latest updates on the flipside.

Book one: Backstage Pass

https://www.amazon.com/Backstage-Pass-Flipside-Book-One-ebook/dp/B07FR38DQB

Jennifer Shaffer

Luana Anders is an actress with over 30 films and 300 TV shows to her credit.  She and I met at USC film school in the 70's, and spent the next 20 years together.  After leaving the planet in 1996, she started appearing in my dreams; visually, audibly, and at a younger age.  I began to wonder how it could be that she was still in contact with me, which began my journey into the flipside.

As recounted in the book and film "Flipside" - Luana guided me in a number of ways, to meet people who were well versed in "how to communicate with the flipside."  I began my journey with the work of Michael Newton, a hypnotherapist in Los Angeles who catalogued his 7000 cases where people under deep hypnosis were able to see, hear, experience a number of things, including previous lifetimes, and the between lives realm.  That book "Flipside" became a best seller after my first appearance on "Coast to Coast." (Followed by best sellers (kindle in their genre) "It's a Wonderful Afterlife," "Hacking the Afterlife" and "Backstage Pass to the Flipside.")

It also brought me to the attention of medium Jennifer Shaffer, who works with law enforcement nationwide on missing person cases.  About four years ago, I began filming our conversations with folks on the flipside. 

We interviewed people that I knew, or Luana knew, who were no longer on the planet.  Luana facilitated those conversations - she helping her friends to "communicate" with us (via Jennifer) and Jennifer helping to translate what she was seeing/sensing/hearing into answers.  Sometimes she wouldn't know what the image or reference meant, and I would do the forensic research to tie the strings together. (It's always a bit startling when someone says "look up Erik Estrada" and I actually find a link to them.) 

We often learn "new information" from people on the flipside (as detailed in "Hacking the Afterlife") and in the case of "Backstage Pass to the Flipside" the title itself was suggested by none other than Tom Petty (Happy Birthday Tom) who said "Luana is like the person at the back door with the backstage passes. She hands them out to us so we can communicate with you."  Hence the title of the book.

Backstage Pass Two

Like anyone, I take whatever I hear, see, gather with an idea of "Wow, that's wild. I wonder if that's true?" and then piece it together. In this fashion, I reached out to Aretha Franklin's niece at her insistence (she said her niece was handling her estate, and it turned out she was. She said her niece would find her hand written will, and it turned out she did.) These interviews (starting with Aretha) will be part of an upcoming book, "Part Three" of this series, tentatively titled "Class is in Session." I interview numerous people - not all celebrities - but sometimes religious figures, icons from the past, sometimes friends of friends, sometimes close friend's parents who are no longer on the planet.

I've found that not everyone is open to this research - which is understandable. After all, we've seen our loved ones die in our arms, we've grieved for them, and we've put them into the rolodex of our memory.  My suggesting that they can "still talk to us" or that they're accessible brings up old wounds, and a fear that we're being "observed" when we don't want to be.  All I can say is - sorry.  It's not my fault that they show up in our sessions, ask me to pass along information to their loved ones. As Jennifer's father suggested to us from the flipside; "tell people to move grief to nostalgia.  Grief has only sad memories; nostalgia has both sad and happy memories. When you move grief to nostalgia you begin the healing process."

I find it interesting when their loved ones are skeptical, doubtful, even upset at hearing that their loved one reached out to me through Jennifer.  Why wouldn't they just reach out to them directly? 

Well, it appears to be a frequency issue. They can't just speak, or talk to their loved ones - without practice, without the loved ones opening themselves up to the possibility of communication.  So out of frustration, I guess, they show up on our doorstep. And what they impart to us is not what they would impart to their loved ones - they "consider the source" when passing information. They know (and warn us) how skeptical their loved ones are - but that doesn't stop me from passing along what I hear.

Luana in a still from the film "The Trip" a film that brought
Dennis, Peter and Luana together with Luana playing a trippy waitress

In this case, I asked this person to show up - and as we'll see, Jennifer wasn't aware of who he was, and did not recognize him straight away.  (Which demonstrates that I haven't prepped her in advance in any way shape or form.)

Peter Fonda and Dennis Hopper in Cannes with Easy Rider

This was filmed on 9-27, and the next day, I discovered that Easy Rider was playing at my local cinema, the Aero.  A 4K print that is pristine, that really highlights Lazlo Kovacs amazing work, Dennis Hopper's realistic direction and acting as "Billy" and Peter Fonda's laconic yet profound performance as "Captain America."  

After the screening, I met three young folks who had never seen the film. (Tucker!) I asked their opinion:  "It's so timely, it really speaks to what's going on in the country now."  For those who haven't seen "Easy Rider" in awhile, it's about prejudice, it's about judging people for the way they look, it's about realizing that we talk about freedom in a way that we think is settled law - and that it isn't on many levels.  With the rise of fascism in the country, or misplaced xenophobia, the film speaks directly to those issues in a way that is startling.

If you haven't seen it - see it.  If you have seen it - see it again.

In light of this interview - people who know me know that I just keep filming whatever pops into my mind, and that Jennifer is kind enough, and generous enough to offer her services as a cellphone to the flipside.  In this case, Luana Anders (who is in Easy Rider) is the person who says that this interview is a "9 out of 10" with regard to this research.

That won't be apparent at first - because Jennifer did not know who Peter was, was not familiar with his work or career, never saw Easy Rider, was not familiar with his father's work either.  I took that opportunity - knowing that she did not know who we were speaking with - to demonstrate how one can learn "new information" during an interview with someone on the flipside.

In particular, Peter had a "near death experience" when he was 11, something that wasn't called it back then.  What Jennifer didn't know, was that his mother committed suicide when he was ten, and no one told him that until he was 15. But when he was 11, he accidentally shot himself - and in this interview reveals (for the first time ever anywhere) what he saw during that near death event.

I also asked his mother to come forward, briefly, to also demonstrate that our loved ones don't die - we don't die - we just move into "another room" or "another form of reality."  In this case, Peter mentions the same "construct" that Harry Dean Stanton shared with us (in "Backstage Pass to the Flipside" and in posts previously on this page that point to his proving that he still exists.)

Harry Dean Stanton and friend

Harry makes a surprise appearance in this interview as well - I didn't know he did a film with Peter, but Peter references him.  So - in honor of the 50th anniversary of "Easy Rider" I bring you an interview with Peter, Dennis, Luana and others:

Flipside Explorers Club

Rich: Hi Jennifer.

Jennifer: Hello.

I did have a couple of people I wanted to talk to and Luana, I don’t how important they are to talk to. I’ll leave it up to you.

She says “They’re a 9 out of 10 for whatever research you’re doing.”

(Note: Jennifer doesn’t know who I’ve invited, but in terms of how Luana views this next guest; he’s a “9 out of 10.”)

Let’s start with the 9. This is someone Luana worked with and knew.

And is related to Jack Nicholson.

Yes. (ding!) This is someone who recently moved to the flipside.

And is also friends with our class member from “Big Love.”

Harry Dean Stanton? Okay, I didn’t know that. I was quoting Harry yesterday.

Harry Dean (back right) along with costars Jack Nicholson, Randy Quaid, Freddie Forrest
Luana appeared in films or TV shows with all of them

(Note: Six Degrees of Luana. The writer of “The Missouri Breaks” (starring Marlon Brando, where Harry Dean and Luana had roles) Thomas McGuane wrote and directed a film with Peter and Harry called “92 Degrees in the Shade.” Harry Dean, at the funeral of his close friend Warren Oates, “told an anecdote of his comrade’s encouragement when a mutual scene from Peter Fonda’s “92 degrees in the Shade” was near the brink of collapse.” (Medium.com) Peter Fonda, whom Jennifer has no clue who I’m talking about, is telling us from the flipside that he and Harry Dean were friends.)

Harry showed me a flower.

Okay there is something that Luana and Jack were involved in that this person I am calling forward was part of. Does he want to come and speak with us?

“He doesn’t know how. He didn’t know how to communicate when he was here.”

Well, Luana can help him. Is he ready to talk to us?

I saw Anthony Bourdain.

(Note: When Anthony died, Peter was filmed (YouTube) saying “I was so sorry to hear that. I really liked him. It’s so sad.” I don’t know if they met, or he was just a fan, but now they can chat.  The topic of suicide comes up in a few minutes.)

Then I saw the karate guy – from Kung Fu.

David Carradine. Indeed, he looked a bit like him. Let’s put him in the chair. Can we bring him forward? 

She’s showing me that room where everyone met each other?

Jack Nicholson with his former acting teacher Jeff Corey

(Note: Jennifer is referring to Jeff Corey's “classroom” where Luana met Jack Nicholson, Sally Kellerman, Roger Corman and other close friends – all actors who worked for Roger in films.  Peter’s career began as Jack and Luana’s did – working in Roger Corman movies.)

Her acting class. Yes, he was there around that time. He’s in a movie with Luana.  Luana, show her what this guest did in this movie.

I saw him driving... (or)... on a motorcycle?

Focus on that motorcycle if you can. What color is it? You guys, show her the motorcycle from the movie.

I’m seeing white... which doesn’t make any sense.

And some red and blue – I can’t believe you don’t know this movie but it demonstrates how I’ve not spoken to or helped you in any way. Luana appeared in a movie with Dennis...

Hopper.

Correct. The guy in our interview chair passed over a few weeks ago.  You never saw their movie?

I’m sorry. Is it called “Freedom” or something about freedom?

Close. “Easy Rider.” 

Never saw it.

Well, it is a film about freedom. That’s fine – you don’t know who starred in Easy Rider, do you? His name is Peter Fonda.

(Note: Indeed, having seen the latest 4K print after this interview, there’s a speech at the end that Jack Nicholson gives Dennis saying “They don’t fear your hair. They fear what you represent; freedom.” )

Is that Jane Fonda’s dad?

Ask him. Peter, what’s your relation to Jane?

Brother and sister. (Jennifer frowns)

Don’t be disappointed; it just shows you have not been prepped.

Sorry. I would not have known.

Luana is this the 9 out of ten person?

“Yes.” (Jennifer aside:) Did he have throat cancer? I felt his throat.

Could have been...possibly.

(Note: Yes, the throat area; Peter died of lung cancer.)

“It went through his whole body,” he says.

So Peter, that reply shows that you can converse with us. Tell me, how does he appear to you?  

They’re saying “She didn’t (even) know who she was talking to!” That’s what they’re saying.  I kept seeing James Dean, but I didn’t think that he might represent the motorcyle. He (Peter) has this wavy hair, and looks.. well, you already described David Carradine.

A tall thin guy. Let’s invite Dennis to join us as well.

They’re all there.

Peter, who was there to greet you when you crossed over?

“His mother.”

Peter with family, with his wife, Peter’s mom; Frances Seymour Brokaw. She reportedly was bi-polar, and when hearing they were going to divorce, took her own life. Reportedly, Peter wasn’t told what happened for five years after the event.

She’s short, like tiny – I saw Jane’s face in hers, something somewhere in her looks -  felt like she died 30 years ago or something. Felt like she had something wrong with her brain... her heart... I saw pills. 

(Note: His mother, Frances Brokaw was petite compared to husband Henry. She died in 1950, so if the comment "she died 30 years ago" is enough to stop a person from reading on, as I'm fond of saying, "Now's the time to get off this bus."  Jennifer is reporting - and her feeling was that it was "30 years ago" when it was 70. People on the flipside give images that represent events, like “pills” for “suicide.” I don’t know if she was taking pills for her condition, but it’s been widely reported she was manic depressive or bi-polar which may have led to her suicide.)

What was that like to see your mother again?

He says “Bliss... and questions.” He had so many questions, a script of unanswered (ones).. a list of questions; she left too early." She said to him “It was going to be okay,” and then his dogs came to him (on the flipside.)

Peter, have you had a chance to see your father?

“Yeah, but he was in the back.”

(Note: “Staying back” is often reported when people aren’t sure what the reception to seeing them will be like. Again, Jennifer has no idea who his father is.)

Is he able to converse with you or is he still working out his journey?

He says “They missed levels.” I don’t know what the levels are.

(Note: In this context, it may be that something prevented them from greeting each other at first.)

So he’s not conversing?

“He’s in a different place (mentally), trying to think about how to come back.”

(Note: This is in the "flipside" research as well, people under deep hypnosis talking about the process of planning their return, gearing up so to speak, to make that return.)

Peter, your mom was there to greet you, but she left the planet in a startling way – did you talk about that with her? Did she explain why that happened?

Was there a sudden impact to her chest, like a force?

(Note: Having done a number of these with Jennifer,  I've heard from her before that "sudden impact" may refer to as a “sudden or unexpected passing” – like it wasn’t expected or planned. She may be seeing the gunshot that Peter speaks of in a few minutes. But in the case of his mother, Frances, it was a few days after hearing of her impending divorce that she committed suicide.)

Well, in a way. But Peter, she was the first person to greet you – have you since conversed with your dad?

“Yeah.”

After your mom passed away, you had an incident that happened when you were 10 or 11 years old.

(Jennifer, after a pause) He saw her.

What happened to you that you saw her?

He showed me being angry and couldn’t breathe.

It’s been reported there was an accident, but I don’t know if it was puproseful or not.

He’s saying “He had a near death experience.” (Jennifer aside:) Did he have a near death experience?

Do you want to show Jennifer what happened?

“It was a gun.”

That’s correct. (Ding!) Was that an accident or on purpose?

He says “He was out of his mind, it was both – the safety wasn’t on.”

So it was an accident that you shot yourself?

He’s showing me the bullet went straight through him... (gestures to her body).

But then you saw your mom?

“Yes. He shows me crying and just loving her and understanding everything she went through all the sadness she went through.”

And then you came back?

He says “He felt like he was ten years older after that.”

(Note: From a biography of Peter: “Peter... played Captain America in... Easy Rider (and gained an Oscar nomination) for Ulee’s Gold (1997). In his 1998 memoir, Don’t Tell Dad, he chronicled his difficult, distant relationship with his famous father. Describing Henry’s role in John Ford’s Fort Apache (1948) as “an unsmiling, bitter, strict hard-ass...” when asked about his father, he'd say "Have you seen the film?" Born in New York, he and Jane were sent to live with an aunt and uncle in Nebraska following the suicide of their mother, Frances Ford Seymour, in 1950, when Peter was 10. On his 11th birthday, he accidentally shot himself in the stomach and nearly died. Years later, he told John Lennon, during an LSD session, that “I know what it’s like to be dead”, a phrase which ended up becoming part of the lyrics for the Beatles’ song She Said, She Said. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/aug/17/peter-fonda-obituary)

Someone in our class you’ve spoken to – you reportedly said to him “I know what it’s like to be dead.”

Is that Dennis?

No, it’s a musician in our class that we’ve interviewed.

I’m going through my mental rolodex of whom we’ve talked to, I’m seeing Tom Petty, Prince... Jimi Hendrix.

No. I’ll just tell you. When they talk about Peter’s life, they include this anecdote; John Lennon had dropped LSD, and Peter was whispering in his ear “I know what it’s like to be dead.” It creeped John out, but he put it in a song “She said, She said.”  However, what Peter is reporting was that he was telling him something accurate – he had a near death event, and actually “knew what it was like to be dead” because he had an NDE and saw his mother?

Correct.

Peter now you can see what we’re doing. I have more questions for you; what was it like to see Luana on the flipside and where did you see her?

They were backstage for that concert – do you remember the car ride to that concert we spoke of?

(Note: She’s referring to the Harry Dean Stanton story of how Luana had built upon the memory of their trip to the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967.  Harry reported to Jennifer the details of the trip (which I was able to forensically verify,who was driving the car, who they saw the first night, etc).  Harry referred to that experience – he was an atheist who thought there was no afterlife, or that people “fell into a happy dream” – and thought that was the case.  He said “Luana gave me a soft landing.”  This is the about the sixth time we’ve heard of someone “walking into a concert event” when they appeared on the flipside.  Often it’s on stage, in this case, it’s backstage.)

But this time he was already backstage with her at the concert – some type of concert.

Let’s ask; was it the Monterey Pop concert?

They’re saying “Yeah.”

Well, why not? Once you can construct or create a CGI of the Monterey Pop festival why not use it again to bring in other friends? So Peter, at some point after you stepped into the flipside, you found yourself backstage at Monterey Pop festival?

“Yeah.  It was like...in a grassy area. I saw (Luana) blowing bubbles.”

Besides Luana, who did you see?

“Robert Kennedy.” I don’t know why he showed me him.

Well, it was 1967; he might have been there. Were you a fan of his?

Record Producer Lou Adler and Mama's and Papa's John Phillips
arriving for the Monterey Pop Festival.

Peter says “He disliked the war...” -- Something about how “He hated the war,” but Peter says "He didn’t trust the government at all."

When you see Luana, she’s blowing bubbles; what’s she wearing?

“Like a 60’s dress, with a headband, hair down, playing a tambourine.”

You recognized her as Luana, correct?

Backstage at Monterey Pop

“Yeah, but it felt like it was that moment in time – that it existed then.” He says “He knew it wasn’t a memory though.”

How did you know it wasn’t a memory?

“Because of the landscape, it wasn’t tangible.” He showed me that scene (in the film) "Twilight," when they go out in the sun...

An unusual landscape?

“He thought he was on the best acid trip of his life.”

Who did you see at the festival?

“Jimi Hendrix.”

Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix Monterey Pop

(Note: In our interview with Harry Dean Stanton, he mentioned that they saw Jimi Hendrix at the festival. When I contacted Fred Roos, the Oscar winning film producer who drove with Luana and Harry Dean to the festival, I asked him what acts they saw, and he said the same; "Jimi Hendrix.")

When did you see Dennis?

“A little later, he was coming back, towards the back of a stage... to the side, looked like Dennis was there controlling things on the stage – something backstage.”

Dennis Hopper and Brian Jones, Monterey Pop Festival

(Note: Dennis was there with Rolling Stone’s founding member Brian Jones. From “Michael Bloomfield: If you Love these blues” (Backbeat Publishing 2000 by Jan Mark Wolkin) “Our first job was the movie score for “the Trip.” We went to LA to record it, that’s where we met Dennis Hopper and Peter Fonda. they were always in the studio with us, and Jack Nicholson was involved in that. Then, after the film score, we played the Monterey Pop Festival. (as “Electric Flag”))

How was that reunion?

“Quick.”

(Note: She said “Quick” before I could finish the question.)

“When he walked away, that’s when I realized more what was going on... seeing Dennis, that was the defining moment when he knew he was on the flipside.”

Peter, I know your daughter – can you put that in Jennifer’s mind? Bridget Fonda; she worked with Bill Paxton.

Bridget Fonda in a still from the film I
wrote and directed"You Can't Hurry Love" (Vestron)

“Yes. He says “He goes and sees her in her dreams. Two days after he passed she had like a full apparition, like she saw him.”

Anything you want to tell her?

Something to do with paperwork, “Dot your i’s cross your t’s” – almost feels like property issues. He wants to say “Dot your i’s and cross your t’s.” Tell her “Everything’s going to be okay.” He says "She remembers the dream, but she’s discounting it. He wants her to know that he was there in that dream state with her."

Were you friendly with Bridget’s husband?

He says “Of course; anyone that can handle Bridget...” He’s very funny.

She’s married to Danny Elfman, the composer.

(Jennifer aside: From “Oingo Boingo?”)

Composer Elfman: IMDB

Yes, and many film scores. So Peter, were you close to Danny?

He says “Of course he is...” (A pause) (Jennifer aside:) something about his shoes... something about him “Doing what he wants to do and not what others want him to do.” Like “get bigger shoes” as a metaphor.

Like “Don’t let others define you?”

“Yes.”

Because he wants to compose bigger scores or do something else?

“Like something else completely – and he should.”

What about Bridget? How is she doing?

"Her children are older now... but... She’s really busy with her family."

She’s kind of retired from acting, but I did put her in her first speaking role in a film.

He’s saying “You gave her the confidence.”

I don’t know about that.. but Luana was in it too – isn’t that odd Peter? What’s odd is that it never came up – never discussed. Luana was hilarious in “You Can’t Hurry Love” and Bridget was a bit nervous at first.

He says “Luana helped her.”

Well, maybe he means her career. Luana showed the film to her pal Francis Coppola, and he cast her in Godfather Three.

Is she the one with blue eyes?

Bridget circa Godfather 3

Yes, terrific actor, did a film with Bill Paxton, who called me and said “I finally got to work with Bridget.” Bill was going to star in “You Can’t Hurry Love” with Bridget and Luana – but enough about me – Peter back to you, what do you miss about being on the planet if anything?

He says, “The food.”

(Note: It's a common refrain. People claim to be able recreate many things on the flipside as a mental construct - from playing golf to riding horses, but it's harder to construct the actual taste of things, or tangible things like touch.)

Anything you want me to tell your sister Jane?

Jennifer laughs. He says “Tell her it’s not scary up here.”

What’s that mean?

“That it’s not scary up there! She’s afraid of death.”

She thinks it’s all going to end? Well let’s bring your mom here for a second... I forget her first name.. (Frances). Let’s ask her a question; mom what do you want to say to your daughter Jane?

“Take your time; there’s no rush.”

(Note: There's an iconic scene in "Easy Rider" shot in the cemetery in New Orleans, where everyone was improvising an acid trip. In Peter's scene, he holds onto a statue and refers to it as his mother, telling her he hated her for "leaving so soon." She's with him on the flipside, so I wanted her to come forward and remind us of that fact.)

Peter?

He says “Time doesn’t exist up there.”

Peter, do you remember your last moments on the planet? Was Jane with you?

“Yeah.” He said, “He looked up and said he saw their mom.” He says “At first I was nervous... and then she just... he saw these beautiful lights.”

Were you smiling?

He was, but at first he was terrified.

What were your last words here, first words on the flipside?

I’m not getting the right interpretation, but something like “I’ll see you soon... at lunch.” Something like that.

Meaning?

Like “There’s not going to be any time between the next time I see you.”

Okay, it'll feel like a few minutes later when they see each other again - like "lunch." Anything you want me to tell her to focus on? Have you tried to visit her?

Jennifer laughs, rolls her eyes. He’s showing me her face doesn’t move and she can’t close her eyes completely (when sleeping). He is so funny. He says “She’s felt him. Definitely felt him around her.” He says, “She can smell him, there’s a certain scent.” (Jennifer aside: I’m asked “Is she going to miss you?” and he laughed and said “no.”)

Jane Fonda, Wikipedia

Peter can we bring your dad forward? I don’t think Jennifer knows who your dad is. Luana is that possible to bring him?

(Jennifer shrugs; she does not.) What’s his name?

Henry... or Hank.

Was he a director or a producer or something?

Kind of. Right business.

Why did he just show me the show Chips? With Erik Estrada?

(Note: This is an odd reference, and I had no idea if Henry knew Erik. However, a casual search of the internet reveals they did “Midway” together, where Henry was an officer, and Erik a young sailor. ("Midway" starring Charlton Heston, Henry Fonda, and Robert Wagner) It’s a subtle yet clear way of “proof of concept.” I had no idea he knew Erik, nor did Jennifer, but he’s showing us something that I can look up and verify – and did.)

Hank, can we talk to you? Who was there to greet you when you crossed over?

He’s showing me a horse.

Was this your horse? Did you work with this horse? Or did you own this?

Henry Fonda, "My Darling Clementine" 1946

“Owned it. It was like a racing horse.”  He said, “He had a lot of them.” I was getting the color gray. He owned him when he was young or his family did.

You had a long career and Jennifer is not aware of it... but I am.

He’s showing me... the theater (plays).... and movies.

That’s correct. He was an actor – let me ask you Henry; what was your favorite role?

(Note: According to his Broadway Theater Credits, he did 18 shows on Broadway starting in 1929 and 125 feature films, nominated for two Oscars (“12 Angry Men” and “Grapes of Wrath,” he won for “On Golden Pond”)

There’s a lot of them that he just showed me. One with Robert Redford.

Robert Redford giving Henry Fond an Oscar

(Note: While it’s not widely known, Robert Redford’s career began with an appearance with Henry Fonda: “Redford, began his TV career at 22 with a small part in the NBC drama “The Last Gunfight” with Henry Fonda. (LA Times. “Robert Redford the TV kid.”)  Also Robert Redford presented Fonda an honorary Oscar in 1981.)

Is there one with a lot of men... (“12 Angry Men” was one film he was nominated for.)  Did he play in a movie where he was the President?

Yes, it was called “Fail Safe.”

Henry Fonda; Fail Safe

(Tapping her nose) That’s the one.

(Note: I know when Jennifer is tapping her nose, she’s doing it to say “yes.” “Fail Safe” was made in 1964, directed by Sydney Lumet. Fonda plays a President in the middle of an accidental nuclear attack. “American planes are sent to deliver a nuclear attack on Moscow, but it's a mistake due to an electrical malfunction. Can all-out war be averted?” It’s currently got a 95% rating at Rotten Tomatoes)

You were also in “The Grapes of Wrath,” directed by John Ford, written by John Steinbeck. It was an iconic film; your dialog about the era is the one they usually quote. It was an amazing performance (nominated for Oscar). I know when Jennifer looks you up she’ll see how many films she’s seen you in.

(Jennifer shrugs) I’m sorry.

That’s fine – really, that’s great; it shows that you haven’t thought or heard of any of this in advance.

Fonda in "Grapes of Wrath"

He says “He felt that Grapes of Wrath was a different kind of story telling; he felt it wasn’t acting.”

Indeed. And “Fail Safe” was low budget, shot on a confined set, like a stage play; Henry was brilliant in it.

I’m sorry, but he keeps showing me this guy from Chips...  Erik Estrada?

Okay, who is showing her Erik Estrada and why?

Luana.

Lu, why are you showing her Erik? We know you guys you don’t drop random references. Is there some connection with Peter and Erik?

(Jennifer aside:) Maybe it’s about Peter.

Erik Estrada on Twitter

Well; both played motorcycles guys... Peter, they had a new 4K version of Easy Rider a few weeks ago at at Radio City Music Hall, were you aware of it?

Peter leading the way

He said, “They were all there. He loved it, he loved to be celebrated and remembered.”

If I may ask, why is that important?

“Because that celebration connects them to here, more – people start thinking about them and then they can “work their magic.” (i.e. connecting to them)

About Erik Estrada, do you want us to say something for him?

They’re saying “You’re going to connect it in some way.”

Okay. I’ll try. Thank you Peter for stopping by.

(Note: Indeed, there is a link between Henry, Peter and Erik.  Erik worked on on the film“Midway” with Peter’s father Henry, then later in life, after “Chips” and “Easy Rider” made both Erik and Peter “America’s motorcycle actors” he and Peter were the co-chairs of the 2000 March of Dimes Motorcycle Ride in Shreveport. “American Motorcyclist, Oct. 2000” (New information) They’ve also both hosted the Hollywood Christmas Parade.)


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Copyright Richard Martini 2019 All Rights Reserved. An excerpt from "Backstage Pass to the Flipside: Talking to the afterlife with Jennifer Shaffer: Class is in Session."

11:11 flipside talk at the Life After Life Club in Laguna Woods

Here we go again...

More stories from the Flipside, courtesy of the folks at the Life After Life club in Laguna Woods, California.



Over a decade ago, these folks decided to start talking about this topic, inviting people who've had experiences with the afterlife.  A couple of years ago they invited me down for a chat. This was filmed yesterday.

There are about 100 people in the audience, and most of them were not aware of my research in the field, so I give a brief overview of how I came to the work.  If you've seen or heard me talk about this before, you might listen to see how much I differ or veer from the story I've been telling for over a decade.

The subject of the talk "11:11" is based on an event that happened a couple of years ago, via a dream my wife had.  That post is here:

The reason I'm discussing it in this forum - is I've learned that any event is accessible. If it happened, it exists like a packet of time, or like a DVD of all the things that occurred during that event. (Although the conscious mind may misinterpret or mistake what it was seeing or saw, we can also learn "new information" from revisiting the event).  The vivid dream, the visitation, the NDE, the OBE, the LSD trip, the deep hypnosis session, once experienced - (like the lives of our loved ones) - always exists, and can be accessed if one takes the time to learn how.

Some people find it easier to access these "events" or "memories" through hypnosis, (or meditation or some other method) - I've learned that a person does not need to be under hypnosis at all to experience things that are not in their conscious mind.

(Here's an example from last week's radio program with Heather Wade, who accesses the Flipside, her council, her former boss Art Bell, her teachers, guide, councillors - things she was not aware that she could access, but the same things that many people access while under deep hypnosis, during a consciousness altered event like an NDE - but she's not under any form of hypnosis at all.  I am merely asking her the simplest of questions and she supplies the answers live, in real time. Note her incredulity at being able to do so:)







In this talk above, the "11:11 Flipside chat" I note some of the work I've done with Scott De Tamble - I've filmed over a dozen sessions with him, done five of my six sessions with him, so in terms of "Where do you find a hypnotherapist who can do this kind of deep dive into my subconscious?" he's the one that Paul Aurand, former President of the Newton Institute recommended, Scott was trained by Michael Newton. 

Scott's at LightBetweenLives.com (and I'm told he also is doing Skype sessions.)

Since that recommendation, I've filmed many sessions with him - and he treats this research as I do; something to be understood or learned from.

I recount in this talk how I met the renowned medium Jennifer Shaffer (JenniferShaffer.com) and her abilities working with law enforcement and how I came to realize that I could "access her talents" like a cellphone - and recount some of the incredible and recent sessions we've done together.

During this chat, I forgot to mention how to try "the simple way anyone can speak to their loved ones" given to me from someone on the flipside, but thankfully it was the first question asked in the Q and A so it's at the end. (The advice came through Jennifer Shaffer, who was accessing "Morton" (as she called Michael Newton) who gave us a simple formula for "how to speak to our loved ones who are trying to reach us from the other side."  

It's at the end of this clip.

Thanks again to the wonderful folks Laguna Woods club, I only wish I had brought a dozen more books as I sold everything I had with me except my Sharpie.  I hope they continue to expand the path in this form of examination; wonderful group of individuals.

As a reference, here's a session I filmed years ago. During a book talk in Venice, CA a woman in the front row burst into tears when I mentioned my memory of a previous lifetime as a Lakota Sioux who "lost his family."  Scott asked her if she wanted to "come up and explore" that memory - this was live demonstration (posted with her permission.)  






The subtitles are accurate - I found the Sioux tribe that matched her memory of living in West Virginia prior to the forced "trail of tears."  What she says about burning the clothing to "release the souls" is something that is not commonly written about but I did find reference to that particular practice in a forensic search of tribal accounts stored on a University website. (Those cites and footnotes are in "It's a Wonderful Afterlife.") 

Here's a talk with Scott De Tamble about how he came to the work via Michael Newton.

Three Flipside Musketeers

and something from Jennifer Shaffer

Jennifer Shaffer

 

Stay tuned. More to come.

Art Bell on the Flipside

I get it. I'm living in a flipside bubble.

When you spend a good part of your day filming sessions where you're talking to people on the flipside, talking to council members on the flipside, then transcribing those sessions - and you can "feel them" over your shoulder as you're typing up their words... well, it's "all flipside all the time."

Seriously smoker. But funny guy. Art Bell from Wiki.

Recently I went on the show with Heather Wade.  Heather was the person who contacted me a few years back, because she was working with Art Bell and Art asked her to call me about appearing on his show.  He had heard me on Coast to Coast (his old radio show) with George Noory, and suggested I come on to talk about the research into the flipside.

But at some point he must have had a change of heart, or other things transpired - and he stepped away from the mic and Heather took over for him.  I was on the show "Midnight in the Desert" that Art had begun, but she was doing.

Heather had a near death experience years ago - and because she'd had that, I suggested instead of me "talking about the research" we might try an experiment.  I would ask her some questions and we'd see where we could go.

We went. We went far and fast and furious. (For three hours!) She was able to access her guide (he introduced himself as Mr. Chown and she described him in detail) we went to visit her council and she described them in detail as well.  She also described an event that occurred in the future, where she saw herself (they were showing her an image from her Akashic records) of herself down the road, retired and happy.

I went on to do other things, Jennifer Shaffer and I worked together - I wrote two books with her assistance, talking to the Flipside.  I went on Coast to Coast so often talking about the flipside, George Noory dubbed me "the Afterlife Expert."
The last show I did someone called in and said "Could you talk to Art Bell?  He's dead now."




I knew that Art had died.  I was familiar with his show decades ago, and when he called to invite me on his show I thought that would be "full circle."  But it didn't happen.  However, I'm not the person who "talks to people in the afterlife."  I talk to people who can talk to people in the afterlife either via deep hypnosis or through a medium.  I'm not doing the seeing, hearing or talking - just asking questions to a third person.

Got it?

Not me. Them.

But this guy was adamant on the call.  "But why don't you talk to Art Bell?"  I said "I didn't know Art, and frankly someone who knew him should talk to him because then they'd know if the answers were accurate."  I further suggested that based on my research, "Anyone can talk to Art Bell by taking out his photograph, asking him questions and listening for answers. "When you hear an answer before you can form the question you'll know it's him."

This guy then wrote to me at another email and said "I'm reporting you to Coast to Coast as a fake.  You said you'd channel Art Bell and then you said you wouldn't."  I tried to be reasonable about that oddball threat - or annoying email - but just let it go.  I didn't know Art. Wouldn't know what to ask him.  "How's the flipside?"  "Fine."  It wouldn't be up to his standards of radioshowmanship.

But eventually we did talk to Art Bell on the Flipside; via someone who knew him well.

I was transcribing Heather's session for my next book.  And I was amazed at how far we went on the air - I've posted it here before.  She saw and heard and described things in wonderful detail.  I must add that she wasn't describing anything I hadn't heard before in terms of the flipside - but she could see it all very clearly. Live on the air.



Here's that clip.




So I sent her the transcript, and discovered she hadn't been on the air in awhile, and was just returning.  I have no idea of any drama that went behind the scenes, but I'm under the impression his death hit her hard - as it did his family, friends and fans.  

She set up a time and gave us three hours to go on our adventure.  And oh my, it was quite the adventure.  It was fun for me, because I was already familiar with who her guide and council were - I wasn't sure if she would remember - but she did, with great clarity.  Like we'd never left.

We covered a lot of ground. She revealed she'd had an accident that broke her foot, then Art "showed up" and talked to her about his perspective on the flipside. Told her new information - things she'd never heard before about what he was seeing and doing.

And the people he was hanging out with.  How we was having conversations with people's "higher consciousness" which they would not be aware (perhaps vaguely) and could continue where he left off. He talked about accessing memories - and then revisiting them in real time. Talked about visiting his pal Whitley Streiber, etc.

A packet of time with George Noory

Which is in the research. 

Stephen Hawking told us the same thing - (in "Backstage Pass to the Flipside") time packets of events are like CD's of that event.  You can revisit all the information from that event, and then examine it from a different perspective, plus talk to a person's higher consciousness directly.

Which is basically what I'm doing in my interviews with the flipside.  Accessing an event (a dream, a near death experience, hypnosis session etc) and then treating it like a hologram - a time packet - and revisiting it, but bringing in new characters and information (guides, teachers,councils, etc.)  

Art was describing exactly what I've been doing.

Heather talked openly about her depression after he crossed over, including a point where she felt so low she wanted to check herself off the planet.  

So I wasn't surprised when her guides said "We stopped you from ending your journey prematurely. And we want to remind you that it's important you not do so. You still have people to help on the planet."  I had no idea those events occurred to her and learned them on the air from her council. 

I will add here that there are some rabid Art Bell fans - who just are upset that he died, upset that Heather talks about him, upset she's a woman, not really sure what they're so upset about. 

But for some reason there were odd sounds bleeding through her studio - she couldn't hear them, but some in her audience claimed to hear them. Heather mentioned it on air.

I can barely tear Jennifer away from her law enforcement
gigs.  Plus she's booked a long time in advance. But hilarious
to think she'd ever "feed" someone answers.

One of those wackier fans came up with the theory that the medium Jennifer Shaffer was "feeding her the answers from Art."

If we can think about this one for half a second.  This theory is not saying that we're making this stuff up - that Heather was pretending to be "speaking to Art Bell on the flipside" - but that somehow, a medium (who works with law enforcement nationwide on missing person cases) who is booked months in advance, took the time out to spend three hours to feed answers to a radio host she doesn't know, never met - based on my personal loopy questions.  

Argh. People can be really bizarre with the mental pretzels they work up around this stuff.

The other vitriol came from people who were furious that Art's family would be upset.  Art wasn't addressing them directly - wasn't reassuring them he was okay, wasn't apologizing to them for dying - he was answering my questions in rapid fire fashion, asked me questions that threw me for a loop and generally acted like the Art Bell he always acted like.  (If they contacted someone like Jennifer to assist them to talk with him - he'd say exactly what they needed to hear.  Those messages should be private.)

And the idea that this was disrespectful to his grieving family - hold on a second.... what grieving family wouldn't want to know that their loved one still existed?

Think that over for a minute.  Sure, they can believe that I'm making up these questions, and that Heather (or a medium or a "wacky voice on the phone") is making up the answers - but if you actually listen to what Art was saying "I like to walk around alot, there are landscapes over here and I walk alot, I can move at the speed of thought, the vistas are amazing, the forests are filled with color and I can create a sound studio using my memories of how its put together and I'm having a blast...."

No one could make those up... but me. 

Because he was saying THE EXACT SAME THINGS other people I've interviewed have said on the flipside.  

It's not just Art Bell creating a radio sound stage - it's Robert Towne's father Lou Towne creating a racetrack where he gets to watch Seabiscuit run (!), it's Garry Shandling saying he creates golf courses that would defy imagination, when asked if he "plays 36 holes or 18?" he said "Two. The tees are very far apart."

Or Jonathan Krane, my old friend and film producer who said he was "on a yacht and sailing."  There are no yachts on the flipside. We have to create them - like CGI.  And yes, it takes time and effort and focus and concentration - but all of them said the same exact things about how to do that. "Math."

Garry Shandling's thought

Bill Paxton told us he was creating white sandy beaches, where he loved to walk and "think."  Paul Allen told us he was playing a ukelele because it was the "easiest instrument to craft" - Harry Dean Stanton described an elaborate trip to the Monterey Pop Festival from 1967 that greeted him on the other side, and it wasn't until they got a flat tire that he realized his old friend Luana had created the entire event to give him a "soft landing." All created images, from memories. Sorry. It's just data.



I have little tolerance for intolerance. 

To those Art Bell fans upset that Heather would deign to speak to her old friend - hey, move along, these aren't the droids you're looking for.  

Travelers. With Jennifer Shaffer and hypnotherapist Scott De Tamble.
Either or both can walk you into the Flipside. I've filmed both
of them doing so for a long time now.

But if you want to know how that could be - why that could be - what that means for our own journey on the planet, open a book, take the time to read scientists at UVA talking about reincarnation, scientists at IANDS.org talking about near death events that prove consciousness isn't created only by the brain, read up on PSI studies down by Ed or Emily Kelly, examine the science that shows our consciousness lives on. Or even watch the three hour clip above. That was a preamble to the show, which I'll post at a later date.

Then bring it back home and do your own research - try to talk to your dead grandmother. She won't mind. You're not grieving for her anymore, and she's aware of that too.  You haven't said her name or mentioned her in years - went right back to the chat room after her funeral, left Granny's memory along with all the other discarded photos in a box in the basement.

The one and only Irene Ryan. America's granny.

But she still exists. She knows she exists. And she's been waiting for you to reach out to her.

Not through me.  I'm not a medium. Not even a medium needed. Take out her photo - if you still have one, or haven't deleted them yet - and say her name aloud.  Ask her questions you don't know the answer to.  Wait until you hear an answer. When you hear the answer before you can start the question you'll know you're connected.

Don't blame Heather Wade for talking to her old friend.  To those fans out there, he's an abstract esoteric chain smoking fellow who hung out in bunker in the desert talking about things that went bump in the night.  But now he's the thing that goes BUMP IN THE NIGHT and he wants you to know it.  

Nothing to fear here.  Except the liberation of your spirit - your loved ones still love you, Art still loves his fans, try to show him some love back, see what he actually has to say.

SO IN THAT VEIN:

Here's the THREE HOUR INTERVIEW DONE WITH ART BELL.

I've included the same footage from the previous video - because I own it, and it's something interesting to look at while listening to the audio.

Again - nothing written, scripted or rehearsed here. A LIVE ON AIR demonstration that people don't need to be under hypnosis to talk to loved ones, to recall previous lifetimes, or to speak with their council.  All courtesy of the maestro himself, the one and only Art Bell.

My two cents

How to Cure CTE from folks on the Flipside; How to Save the Planet via Trees on the Flipside

It's been my observation, since beginning to film people under hypnosis for the past decade, that there could be a practical result from these sessions.

To recap, I've been filming people under deep hypnosis for over a decade. I've filmed over 50 cases, and have compared those responses to the ones that Dr. Helen Wambach got in her research with 2000 cases in the 1980's, and with Michael Newton, who reported 7000 cases over his 30 year career in "Journey of Souls" and three other books.

I interviewed Michael for my film "Flipside" (his last interview) and released that film and book in 2011.  I did my first "Coast to Coast with George Noory on Sept 11th 2012, and my book went to #1 in all its genres at Amazon.

Since then I've written "It's a Wonderful Afterlife" which interviews scientists about consciousness studies (including the scientists at UVA and others in the field), and continued to include "transcriptions"of filmed sessions with various people.  Many I chose for their skepticism and disbelief - I would say to them "Hey, I think if you do a session you'll see there actually is an afterlife" and they'd say "That BS Richard.  There's no way that's the case. And I'll do a session to prove you wrong."

Then they'd say the same things everyone else would say - about guides, teachers, and how we choose incarnation. About how consciousness works.

Then I met Jennifer Shaffer, a renowned medium (works with law enforcement on missing person cases nationwide) and know how effective she is.  She reached out to me, and we interviewed someone I never met, but had researched extensively.  Jennifer reported what this person had to say from the flipside, and it was accurate and included new information that I didn't know - later verified - but proved to be verifiable.  That's in "Hacking the Afterlife."

Then we began to interview people via my friend Luana Anders on the flipside - she became the person with the "backstage pass" that allowed people to come forth and chat with us.  Apparently she was teaching them "How to do that" on the flipside, and Jennifer was reporting what she was hearing, sensing or feeling.  I would be able to forensically verify those details as they came through.

Aretha Franklin told us about her handwritten will that her niece would find (and did find), Harry Dean Stanton had private messages for friends of his at his memorial - details of illnesses he was now aware they had, and I dutifully passed those details on to them.  Each was startled and shocked that I was telling them their atheist skeptical pal not only still existed, but knew things about them they'd not told anyone. (And still have not).

So when we did a session with Paul Allen, it was an experiment.  I know one person who knew him, and he passed a private message on to that one person - but in general, my interview with him was surprising to him as it was to me.  I asked the usual questions I ask everyone "Who was there to greet you on the flipside?" "What do you miss" "Any messages for your loved ones?"

He told me to tell his sister Jody to "go to the doctor and get checked out for illnesses because she's a hypochondriac and doesn't have any."  I have no way of knowing if that's accurate or true - all I can do is report that they ask. (I've had others ask me to reach out to their families about people who are giving them bad legal advice, or from the flipside perspective are misusing funds - but that's not up to me to publically reveal those things.  I seek them out, pass it along, and if it resonates with them - fine. If it doesn't, that's okay as well.) 

But I realized there are some things we can learn about the planet from people no longer on it. For example:

JenniferShaffer.com

In the interview with Paul, he said that two football players were there to greet him. I asked him why that was, if they were Seattle players and he said they were not.  I realized one was Dave Duerson, the other Junior Seau (Jennifer said "He's Polynesian.")  They had both "greeted him on the flipside to thank him for his work with brain trauma."  

I did research to see if the Paul Allen brain institute does that kind of work - I can't find any evidence they do, but these two players also cited/thanked the doctors who had worked on the autopsies of their brains (including the doctor at Boston University the film "Concussion" was  about.)  I sent a message to him - but doubt he has received it.  Filters and all, you know.

But that doesn't stop me from reporting.

So I arranged for Junior Seau's widow Gina to come to Manhattan Beach for a session with Jennifer - Jennifer didn't know who was coming, didn't know who she was, until her husband showed up in the session.  It was long and involved, and had a number of personal private information.  But he talked about CTE, and he talked about how to help those.  Jennifer kept referring to a quarterback and CTE - she could see his face, but didn't know his name.

My research didn't find any particular quarterback - and I let it go, but that was the second time that information came forward.  First with Paul Allen and the second with Junior, with Jennifer saying "They're showing me this quarterback; I want to say Joe Montana, but he's still alive - I don't know who this is."  I figured it was too hard to dig, and couldn't find any famous quarterbacks who had died from CTE, or reportedly died from it.

But a few weeks later, in another session, Dave Duerson came forward and gave us private messages for his family, which I passed along.  He also talked about CTE and what it had done to him, talked about how "The Fridge" has it (Jennifer didn't know who that was, but I did, being a life long Bear fan), and he joked about how many people "The Fridge" had given it to with his crushing play on the field.  (The Fridge is William Perry, and he reportedly is suffering from CTE.)

But after the session, I renewed my search, because this "Joe Montana like" quarterback showed up again. (Sometimes people will show Jennifer a face she knows and it's either the person's name or their occupation that is supposed to jog her memory - either a guy named JOE or a Quarterback.)  Turns out it was both:

JOE NAMATH.



Joe has been talking about how he cured CTE using hyperbaric oxygen treatment.  He's been on talk shows about it - they generally want to talk about his exploits, and not about this cure.  But PEOPLE ON THE FLIPSIDE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.  

They want me to say it LOUD AND CLEAR.  If you want to cure CTE look into the treatment that Joe Namath has been doing.  He's got the key.  Use that therapy to help those who have it, then design equipment that prevents any trauma occuring to the neck or head.

That's coming from the Flipside.  Not from me. It's not opinion, my theory or fanciful thinking.  I'm just reporting that on three occassions, these players tried to direct Jennifer's attention to a quarterback named Joe - and when I sent her a message with his face saying "could it be this Joe?" she said "THEY'RE ALL APPLAUDING.  THAT'S WHO IT IS!"



Okay, now on to saving the planet.

For the past couple of years, I've been filming sessions with people not under hypnosis.  That is - I'm just talking to them, sometimes live on stage - and they often report seeing a "place of healing" on the flipside.  I ask them about this "place of healing" and sometimes it's inside, but more often they see a "grove with trees."



One day I thought "I wonder what these trees are? They're energetic constructs on the flipside - so if they're energy, who is creating them? Is it the person seeing them?" So I asked the person I was talking to, "Can you go over and touch this tree?" They say they can.  I ask "Can you put your hand into the tree? It's a construct after all." And they say "Yes, I can." Then their eyes grow wide and they say "I'm sensing something. An entity. A person. An energy."  I ask questions about that - male, female, what's the emotion associated with this energy?



They say - and it's been about a dozen - "This is a very old soul.  He (or she) had incarnated on earth in the past, but now they're here, just like my energy is here as well." What I've LEARNED from talking to trees on the flipside is "WE USED TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU BUT YOU ARE NO LONGER ABLE TO."



Sobering thought.  They say "Trees retain all of their memories in their roots - and because of their long life cycles, they see the foibles of humans in perspective. The most recent tree said he was over 600 years old, had once been a human being who died in battle,and this was his choice to incarnate as a tree...and after his death, he was now existing in this healing place."

But my point isn't to blow one's mind about trees.  Yes, hug trees. Yes,they're sentient.  But I asked "So how can we save our planet?"



And one fellow answered "Plant a trillion trees. We are the lungs of your planet - our physical structure is the same structure that are lungs, but the opposite. If you plant a trillion trees, the temperature of the planet will cool, there will be more oxygen and less carbon."

That's from a tree on the Flipside.

It's not from Jennifer - in fact it was someone else who was accessing this tree. It was from someone who claimed to be a tree and from their perspective could see what it is we're doing killing our oxygen supply.



So plant a trillion trees.  

I'm working on creating an app that will do that. Connecting tree lovers worldwide with tree planters worldwide.  Finding the right property or space - the Amazon may be the best place for trees, but it's not the only place.  And it's worth figuring out how to do that - a million trees at a time.



I bought "PlantATrillionTreesToSaveThePlanet.com" 

It's something to do while I finish my two books on the flipside - one with Jennifer, the other with councils around the universe.

Stay tuned.