For flipside fans, this won't be too hard to digest. For those who are unfamiliar with the term, this may be the hardest to consider.
Some months ago - perhaps a year - Jennifer and I were conducting a "class" - well, Luana Anders conducts the class, Jennifer and I just show up to interview folks in the class. And during this interaction she said "Carl Jung is here." (HackingTheAfterlife Podcast)
I may have said "do you mean Carl Sagan?" because we had chatted with him before.
But she said "No, Carl Jung."
|Carl Jung. Biography.com|
Prior to our sessions, I often "say the name aloud" of the person I'd like to speak with. So I did that in this clip - said his name aloud - used the "Greenwich Mean Time" clock (on the right side of this page) to indicate when the name was evoked - and then began to tape the session. I'm in an apartment building upstairs - sometimes too many folks are on the wifi at the same time, so apologies for the intermittent cutting out of my voice - but her voice is not interrupted.
Prior to the session I did some casual research into the fellow. I have a friend familiar with his work (David Kirkpatrick, thanks) who supplied me with a couple of questions, because oddly enough that morning he was referencing him - and I said "If you had a couple of questions, what would they be?" He supplied the "Why didn't you go to Rome?" and "Why didn't you meditate or do a hypnosis session?" questions.
Here's the Wikipedia page where I gathered some of the details - the "soul stone" for example. When I read that I can only think of the many filmed interviews I've done with people under hypnosis ("Flipside" to "Hacking the Afterlife" - "Architecture of the Afterlife" includes about 50 of people not under hypnosis.) In those cases, when a child does something as odd as Carl did - making a totem of a native culture - I assume it's related to a past life memory.
|Carl Jung; Wikipedia|
In terms of his mother, Emilie, indeed, he reported that she "spoke to spirits." He's also the person who created the concept of "Collective unconscious" as well as the term "Archetypes."
Which brings us to point two. Bill Paxton and I were friends many years ago, we stayed in touch over the decades, but his career skyrocketed while mine floundered. When he passed away, I did a series of interviews with him ("Talking to Bill Paxton" on Gaia) via three different mediums. So when I was referencing that "we have friends in this class who lived in Ojai" - while interviewing Krishnamurti, I was referring specifically to him.
|One of Ojai's famous residents|
So I wasn't surprised when she said his name - but I was surprised when he said "Ask him about archetypes." I did not know that he had created the term until I read it that morning - and here was my old pal referencing something that I had not written down (I had written down "synchronicity" and "collective unconscious") - but here was someone asking a question from the flipside to someone we are interviewing.
Jennifer is not an expert on Carl Jung - as she freely admits on camera. She had no idea that Carl had invented the term. But Bill did. And he is the one who asked the question. Here's the video:
This morning, former studio exec turned author David Kirkpatrick wrote to me to thank me for sharing the video with him. I wrote back:
"Thanks for the questions. I tried to focus on the things that relate to this research (his "soul stone" sounded like a past life memory) his mother seeing spirits - Bill saying "ask about archetypes" is "new information."
Jennifer never studied Jung (formerly a financial analyst in Manhattan beach) I had just read in the wiki entry that Carl invented the term.
Bill literally raised a point only he could raise. Asked Carl his own question. (Not mine. Not from Jennifer.) It's mind bending and proof of concept. I mean... am I missing something? Is this not proof of the afterlife?
Jennifer doesn't know anything about Carl.. and yet recognizes him. Doesn't know about archetypes yet repeats a question from an actor she met "in class." Proof life goes on. Full stop.
Those whose path doesn't include this knowledge will not see it. Will assume we "cheated" or she "read my mind." But she asked things not in my mind. She repeated answers I could not invent. Welcome to my world."
Indeed. Proof that life goes on. Proof of concept. Proof of the flipside. Proof of heaven (although everyone calls it "home" instead). Proof of being able to "Hack the afterlife." I could go on... I frequently do. But in this era when our friends are falling around us like flies, it's important to report that life goes on. They know it. We just aren't privy to that same information. Our loss.
Some wag wrote on the MartiniZone page: "Why did you have to give her so many clues as to the identity of the man? Totally unconvincing."
To which I replied: "Well, since this is the first time you've seen us work together, or have watched any of our videos, you wouldn't know that I've done this for five years with her.
Sometimes she gets it immediately (as reported in "Backstage Pass to the Flipside" books) sometimes it takes three or four guesses. It's not a contest.
I'm not trying to prove that she can do this kind of work - I've been doing that for over five years now. I had her for 45 minutes. The clues I gave her were "he's shown up in our class before" she picked Einstein. Instead of saying "No" I said "of that era." She's not scanning my mind - or scanning her knowledge of Carl - she's asking the class "Why are you showing me Albert?" And then she said "Carl Jung." (I just now remember that it WAS Albert we were interviewing when he showed up in the classroom - asking him about turning salt to fresh water for pennies, or how to create energy from non carbon sources. The image of who we were interviewing popped into her mind - and from there came the answer.)
I'm sorry if this is the first time you've watched us do this. I'd say "watch the other 20 clips here" or "read the three books where I provide transcripts" or "watch "Talking to Bill Paxton" on Gaia.
Or watch the clip on here called "Talking to Paul Allen, Junior Seau and Dave Duerson."
In this clip - live - I asked for three people to assist us - and she named them in a row, one after the other. (John Lennon because I'm a friend of his son, Steve Jobs because we'd interviewed him previously, and Anthony Bourdain because I assumed they met. She names them live on camera - one after the other in a row.)
Again - I'm not trying to prove anything to someone who did not sign up for a lifetime to know how the play ends. It's pointless.
As Harry Dean Stanton told us "Tell people to believe in the possibility of an afterlife then they won't waste any more of their time arguing about it like I did." Once there is the possibility - then one can focus on what the content is. And that is a conversation about his mother, about his soul stone, and my old friend Bill Paxton reminding me to ask him about archetypes.
Not my idea - not Jennifer's idea. Bill's idea.
So thanks for the comment so that I could report that this is just one of many many many interviews we've done. People can read them, view them, discuss them at their own leisure - eventually we all get to a point where we realize how much time we wasted arguing about something that was possible."
|My two cents.|