Monday

Time Travel, the Flipside and Home

What is science fiction?



It's a writer imagining some event that defies logical explanation.  It's a fantasy that is created in the mind of a writer.  Certainly time travel does not exist - otherwise we'd see it, experience it, already have built a ride at Disneyland for it. But it only exists in the mind of a writer... or does it?

First let's examine where time travel originated in terms of story telling.  Was it the first science fiction story? Did someone write up a story about traveling outside of time and that became the first known incidence of time travel in fiction?

According to a search on the topic, we're told that the first "popular incidence of time travel" was at the hands of H.G. Wells: The concept of time travel by mechanical means was popularized in H. G. Wells' 1895 story, The Time Machine. In general, time travel stories focus on the consequences of traveling into the past or the future. Wiki. (Here's a list of popular titles dating back to 1733) (Unless the author came back to current day and created this wiki entry.)
Same era. Different cat. TE Lawrence.

Apparently our friend Mr. Wells had a near death event that presaged his work in the field. (I did not know that when I began this post - I began it as you're reading it above - "in a linear fashion." Actually I thought "What am I going to write about today? and the heading came first, and then the following tidbits.  So in a linear fashion, I got to the sentence: "It appears that H. G. Wells, had a time travel experience of his own.")  I tend to call these events 'NEAR LIFE' events as they give us a glimpse of "home." 
 https://atlantisrisingmagazine.com/article/h-g-wells-and-near-death-experience/



How is a near death event related to time travel?  Well, we experience "going somewhere" that doesn't exist per se.  People spend a lot of time and effort trying to prove that these are products of the brain (as if they feared what the result might be - that we are only aware of a few bits and pieces of the reality we exist in) but having filmed people for over a decade "taking a trip somewhere outside of time" (50 cases to date) and comparing them with the thousands of cases of Dr. Helen Wambach and Michael Newton, (9000 combined) - they all have an element of travel "outside of the space time continuum."  

Further, in studying near death events, via IANDS.org, we can also read accounts of people who've had a "outside of time event" while their brain is shut down (or has been declared dead.)


Tesla not the car

In all of the cases I've filmed, and many examined by Newton and Wambach, or interviews with folks who've had an NDE, they refer to the "afterlife" as "home."  

They don't call it heaven, they certainly don't call it hell, but they do have the same terms for it, whether a person has had a never death event or a deep hypnosis session.  They call it "going home."  

When I first heard it, I was startled - did this person mean the home of the lifetime they're leading now? Or the home of the lifetime that they had just recalled under deep hypnosis?  Upon examining the death scene, the hypnotherapist (typically) asks "Where do you want to go now?" or "Then what happened?" or "Then where did you go?"

"Home."

John Singleton comes to mind - a friend and colleague, who has been in a coma for the past week or so and today it was announced they'd take him off that.  So he gets to go "home."  Doesn't make his friends or family or close colleagues any less sad - but suffice to say, I'd be less than forthcoming if I didn't report what the research shows. 

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He's fine. He's going home. Nothing to worry about or fear for him - he was on the path he was on.  Likely had plenty of more things to accomplish, but he's been here before, he'll come back again, and those who knew him can visit him on the flipside... any ... time... they... want.


Stefano is home. Standing up.
It's not my opinion, theory or belief that's the case.  I've been filming people doing so for over a decade.

But let's drift back to time for a moment.


An time donut idea.

When's the first written example of time travel?  

Well, it's likely on a cave somewhere.  Or in a Nazca Drawing in Peru.  Or perhaps in a story about a ghost, or in Plato's story about the soldier who died and came back.  All of these have a time element to them, because the person in question, the visual in question is "outside of time."  In order to create a Nazca drawing, or the Tibetan drawings of Mt. Kailash, or Mt. Meru from above - (prior to anyone being able to send up a drone to film it) all require someone to be outside their body in order to make that observation.  

It's an example of an "out of body experience" that is not dependent upon time.

In my case, I've written about my out of body experience where I went (had the physical experience of going) to deep space.


10K folks have watched this video on youtube. MartiniProds.
Wonder why?

My friend Luana Anders had died, and started to visit me in dreams - but a younger version of herself. I heard her voice clearly, knew it was her - but the person I was seeing, hearing, sensing was years younger than when I met her.  Further, at one point I was realizing that if she can visit me in my dreams, then she must still exist - so I wondered "where is she?" 


Ghost in the machine (son captured from a mom's NEST camera after his passing)

And I had a "powers of ten" experience - suddenly leaving Manhattan at a great rate of speed, seeing it recede below, then turning and seeing that I was moving so fast, light was melting around me - until I hit a worm hole or black hole - or some kind of hole - and spun around (like in the movie "Contact" but this experience predated that film) where I was bounced around and then traveled in a contrary direction (instead of "up" I was moving rapidly "right to left") and I came face to face with my pal Luana.  

She opened her eyes and I heard her in my head say "You wanted to know where I was. Here I am."


Luana and Batman's butler Michael Gough
This was a time traveling event. We ran into Mick
backstage, Luana had me take this photo, it was 
identical to a photo she had taken with him 50 years earlier.

At that moment a truck horn outside in my window blasted me - not awake - as I had the experience of "traveling back" like a rubber band snapping me back through the hole, back through space, and down to a Manhattan grid that rose at me at lightning speed.  All before the trucker took his hand off the horn.  So I had that "outside of time" experience - traveling at super duper sonic speeds - somewhere... not off universe, but in another universe,where she was hanging out.


Sage flipside advice from Mr. Shandling
At this point I'm stopping TIME to make an aside. Last week, Jennifer and I were doing a session and a friend of mine's face popped into her consciousness.  She said "Luana wants to talk about so and so."  I said "What about him?"  Jennifer said "He needs help."  I said "How so?"  She said "She's showing me that he fainted. He passed out."

BOOM!

I had spoken to this fellow a week earlier. We talked about other stuff for a bit, and he told me that he was out to dinner and he fainted. We talked about health issues, about low blood pressure,  about watching out for sodium intake, blah blah blah.

And then a week later, his old friend, my old friend Luana - puts the image of him fainting in Jennifer's mind.  And she says "He fainted. He passed out."  And then she went on to describe the medical procedure that he needs to check out - this advice coming from the flipside.


Luana sees you. And me. And a dog named Blue.

GOT THAT?

I did. On film. 

Filmed her saying "He passed out. He fainted."  My response. "That's correct.  Luana, how did you access that information? What part of your knowledge of it is in your mind at this moment?"  She talked about how time is relative for her as it is for us.  I had asked "Who does Luana want to bring to our session today?" And Jennifer said "She wants to talk about your friend so and so."

Confirmation.  

Yes, the flipside exists. Yes, life does go on. No, you don't have to stress about that. Yes, you should pay attention to why you're on the planet. Yes you should pay attention to dreams, or other "taps on the shoulder" that you get during life.


Now... back to my post about time:

I had another time travel experience - I was in bed, falling asleep, but instead fell into a pool of golden light.  I was aware of how intense this feeling was, like being connected to all things at the same time (as I write about in "Hacking the Afterlife") )but in this case, I could see that I was no longer "Rich" but a pool of golden "Rich" light - and then I was aware that I was outside of time, and that I could - observing that time was like a bubble - put my left hand into somewhere on the timeline (i.e. 13th century Paris) and my right hand somewhere else (current day LA) and be in "both places at the same time."  


My soul group.
I also observed that photographs are captured time. (The photo above is accessible as a hologram if you want to examine it this way - you can examine the journey of each of these fellows and where they are today.)

That we think of pix as paper - but the magnetized ions together create a framed piece of time. And we have those pieces available to us when we are on the flipside. Every photograph is like a portal that makes it easier for us to visit our loved ones, because they own a piece of our magnetic time memory.

Woah.

Have I lost you yet?


Time traveling. Streets my grandfather
left in  the Alps in 1903.

Let's go a little further afield. 

For those fans of "Backstage Pass to the Flipside" you know that Jennifer Shaffer and I have been asking questions to the flipside for about three years now.  We've found that Luana conducts this "classroom" on the flipside, and helps those over there to communicate with us here. (I'm told it's like "lowering a frequency" and helping those over there put their thoughts into words or images we can understand.)  

I don't hear them, or see them, but Jennifer does. And occasionally we say the SAME THING AT THE SAME TIME as if the message was given to "both of us."

Thank God I film these things because, otherwise, neither of us would remember what was said.


Fishbar conference with Jennifer.

So recently we were chatting with four world renowned scientists about what dark matter and dark energy are.  Jennifer would demonstrate, draw, or explain what she was seeing, and I would ask further questions to these four folks about what that meant.  (They even gave us a formula for it - which I have, and want to pass along to a physicist - so if you know one, let me know, as I'd like to run it by her or him.)

But we were also talking about time.


Me, Jennifer and Scott De Tamble outside of time.

From the research, I've learned that time is not set.  The future is not known or set.  Mediums and others are talking about "likely outcomes" when they predict the future - but that doesn't mean those things will come to pass.  It means that is what they're seeing, sensing or hearing - but we have free will to change our mind, or screw things up - and we often do. 

Time is not frozen either.  

As we examine things that happened in the past, we can change them - not physically (as posited in quantum mechanics) but emotionally.  Once we examine a previous lifetime we can see that we lived it for learning reasons, and it no longer haunts us or is a tragedy for us - and that changes our present, because we can observe the same things happening, or learning from trauma, and that in turn changes who we become.


Dave. Timeless.

Once we are "outside of time" we can see all of our lifetimes as holographic designs, including the slices of time they occurred in.  

People who are observing time from this perspective often say "there is no time, time is an illusion."  In my research I've found that's inaccurate - the word illusion is a pejorative for the most part, by calling it a "construct" is probably easier to comprehend.  Further, we can observe all of our lifetimes like blueprints that we can see through and lay them on top of each other to understand where we've been and where we've going (and also is why we experience "deja vu" - where blueprints intersect).

"Time is on my side. Yes it is." Mick J.
Peter Tunney reminding us.

Because we all experience time relatively differently.  

From what I've learned in this research, is that time is relative to the person experiencing it.  Someone who lived 2500 years ago, is happy to connect, interact with someone living today - and further, if the person has the ability, they can connect with people who lived 250,000 years ago - or millions.  The frequency of their energy does not change... it may become more complex, more layered, but just the way sound works, one frequency retains aspects of all of the same frequencies that generate on its bandwidth.

Further people who work in a particular field tend to generate, or be around that same wavelength. 

That's why we often see musicians, architects, poets, writers, doctors hanging out together on the flipside.  They're all familiar with that frequency.



So we were talking to one of our scientists about time and I asked "How did you access that information?" (As noted in a previous post.) And he talked about accessing a "floppy disc" of time - as if that disc, that hologram of time still exists.  I was asking how he accessed an event he didn't experience, but was able to correctly tell us what was said during that event.  And he mentioned this "floppy disc" analogy.

I've filmed people visiting their "Akashic libraries" (I tend to avoid the term because it's just a Sanskrit word for 'library' - but I digress) - we all have a library of every event that's ever occurred, and it's all on floppy discs (or scrolls, or in books, or in holographic form, "It's all numbers" - I've heard various reports on that, including the fact that no two are identical in description).... but we can access any moment on our time line, in this life, or a previous lifetime - as well as everyone else's.



That's a heck of a lot of time to fiddle around trying to access it.

"Who has the time?"

We do.

We have the time. We own time.

So the next time you glance at your wrist - when you no longer have a watch - or you see a digital clock read 11:11 (analog people didn't run around saying "Hey! It's 11 after the 11th hour!") think of this post.

(I dare you not to)  Think of time as relative. (And not a distant relative.) In terms of what we're doing on the planet.  In terms of being able to access people who are no longer on the planet. They know that they still exist. They know that time is relative. They know that people who were writing about time travel were recalling what their normal state of experience is off theplanet -... because it's just something we all can do once we are no longer here.

No better way to end a thought on time without this guy making us smile. Not gone. Just not here.





Thursday

Red Dead Redemption and the Flipside

A few thoughts on the Redemption of Arthur Morgan...

Arthur Morgan in RDR2 and Roger Clark who plays him.

I won't get into the particulars of this epic game that others have covered.  (Red Dead Redemption 2) My point is that as technology improves, we are able to experience "life online" the way that we experience "life offline."

For fans of my research into the Flipside, there are multiple layers of the meaning of "offline" and "online."

In the 50 deep hypnosis cases I've filmed, and the thousands I've examined from Dr. Helen Wambach and Michael Newton ("Journey of Souls") they report consistently that life "here on the planet" or "online" is like a performer going on stage, choosing props, a costume, a role, doing their best at learning something or teaching lessons, and then when the play is over, they drop the costume, props and leave the stage.

Where do people go after their "lifetime" on stage?

They go "home."  



In the first case I was filming for the film "Flipside: A Journey into the Afterlife" a woman in a conference in Chicago was recalling her last moments on earth during her lifetime that ended in a gas chamber in Auschwitz.  I was startled by what she was saying for a number of reasons - I later found her records online, I later was able to confirm who she had been, I was startled because she was giving such a graphic description of a difficult lifetime the first time I turned my camera on to film one.

But more importantly, when she was asked after the end of this difficult lifetime where she went, she said "Home."
"Flipside" is about the research of
Michael Newton

At first I wondered if she was talking about the town in upstate New York this woman was from, or if she meant Warsaw, the town that this woman had remembered growing up in and being torn out of it.  Neither in fact.  


She was referring to "home" as in - where we all come from.

Since then I've had people give various descriptions of "home" - the hallmarks are the same, "a place of warmth, no judgment, unconditional love" but the visuals are not.  Sometimes people see their loved ones, sometimes they see guides, teachers (yes, even ones "wearing wings" which appear to be a visual metaphor for speed and not countenance) - but be that as it may, they all say the same thing about where they go after the memory of a previous lifetime.

Home.
Home?

So that forces us to look at the stage they were just on. People consistently report that they "chose their lifetime" that they chose a life with difficulties, with the possibility to learn or teach or love - sometimes they choose difficult lifetimes, sometimes they choose incredibly difficult lifetimes.  In this woman's case, she said that between lives her guides showed her that she had the option of playing different roles, including a "perpetrator."  She said "from what I'm seeing, I know this is hard to express, but from my perspective, I'm glad I chose the role I did instead of the perpetrators, because they had a harder time of it."


Easily the most difficult sentence I've come across in this research, but it was on the very first day I started filming,the first person that I filmed.  She went on to say "Every day in the camp was like an intense lesson in many topics; compassion, forgiveness, redemption, love. But from my perspective, I'm glad I chose what I did in that lifetime."

Which brings me to Arthur Morgan.





Like Jumanji.  We play an avatar.  In this case, the avatar happens to be a bad guy with potential.
If you're playing the game and don't know what happens in Red Dead Redemption 2, STOP READING NOW.

Our family had not seen the original game, so we had no clue as to what would happen or how this game might end.  Our son played it over spring break, and has been caught up in the world of Arthur for weeks. 

I too enjoyed decoding some of the things he would find - the references to Nikola Tesla (there's a lightning shack in Colorado, reminiscent of Tesla's own lab), the references to how slavery hadn't changed men's minds even 20 years later, to many sorts of political easter eggs buried inside this vast amazing story.  (Winning points by killing off the KKK, for example.)

The CGI is so brilliant, that one feels as if they've been horseback riding for most of the day. The gunfire is pretty frightening as well.  But overall, one gets a sense of "time and place."

But there's much more to this game - because at some point, it becomes apparent that our hero, the outlaw Arthur, has a chance at redemptionThe choices that he makes become more about "saving" lives than taking them, more about "helping others" than robbing them.  Like in life, we all have a choice to choose which path to take.  And there are consequences here while having that journey - but those same consequences in the game lead to its conclusion.

Are you someone who is a helping hand? Or are you a cruel person caught up in the same cycle of violence?  Those choices predict how you'll end up.  We had no idea of where this story was headed - and the ending, as played, brought us all to tears.  Someone whom we had come to know, who had changed his stripes during the course of the story, someone that my son came to know and understand - was no longer on the planet.  And there's no way to reincarnate inside of this person any longer - the only way to view "what happens next" is to shift consciousness into someone else.

A bit like life.  Well, alot like life.

We are here, and we play our role - and depending upon our choices, actions, we will find ourselves at the end of our journey looking back upon what we forgot to do, who we didn't help, and what the consequences of those actions are.  In my son's case, his "honor" had risen to the highest amount he could get, as a result his passing was filled with beautiful music, and a gorgeous last sunrise on the planet.  

However, we weren't prepared for this outcome - and when we realized we were in someone else's consciousness looking at our own tombstone - that was as impactful as that sentence sounds.  Like looking down at your feet and seeing your name carved in stone.  "Here Lies You."  "Wait a second! I wasn't ready to leave the planet yet! You mean I have no option to save myself? To continue on?"

Well... yes and no.  

No, we have no option to continue on as the person we once were.  For those of us who were once caterpillars, indeed, the chrysalis is the end of the line. That's it. No more crawling on leaves, chomping on green objects, or spinning silk. We don't do that anymore. But we do have this other option - to fly. To open our wings and take off.  We can come back and visit this earth at any time, but it would be insane to not open up those wings and try them out.


Real Arthurs.

So Arthur is a character that exists in time and space.  

My wife had a dream about Arthur last night - saw him riding his horse in a field of yellow daisies.  When she woke up she remembered the last time she saw those daisies - in a dream she had about her dog the night he died.  She said she was in a field, but there was a turnstyle that prevented her from going over to where her dog was - romping through this giant field of daisies.

I pointed out the turnstyle represented a metaphor for us "not being able to go over there."  But also the field of daises represented the flipside - as I've noted often, we create our own paradise once we return.  And by dreaming of the field of daises - with a character and his horse no less! - she was seeing what that would have meant in our world.

But then one has to ask - does Arthur exist, or does he not exist? Certainly he was created by an actor (the way Travis Bickle existed, or Ethan Hunt) and by seeing them in our dreams, we can see that it's a metaphor for what we perceive. But in this case - my wife was seeing a character and his horse in the afterlife.  Easy to say "because she wanted to" but wasn't aware of how that field of daisies represented the flipside.  Unfortunately for her, she's married to someone who can.

Indeed, an actor went in and spent the better part of five years inhabiting this fellow - that is the voice of actor Roger Clark - and the essence of who Roger Clark is, is also the essence of who Arthur Morgan is.  His comments to his horse,  his conversations with strangers, native Americans, bad guys, bandits, good guys, Pinkertons - all filtered through who Roger is.  And that avatar now exists in some other world.  Not the flipside per se, but somewhere.

I just wanted to comment on how Red Dead Redemption 2 captures the essence of this flipside research; imagine the writers sitting around creating his story the way that guides and teachers sit around and come up with a story for a person choosing a lifetime, how they can argue what the best outcome would be - how they give the person tests and options to take, how it's up to free will for them to follow the "good path" of learning or to screw up, and not accomplish what they set out to do.  

How ego, wrath, anger, jealousy, cowardice, lying - all can lead to unhappy, unfulfilled outcomes - and how the opposite can lead to much more entertaining, learning outcomes.  And when the avatar who plays this character is done with their journey, the writers are there to applaud their return, to compliment the actor on all that they accomplished, learned, taught or experienced.

And on to the next play.

As You Like It, Act II, Scene VII

All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. 

At first, the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse’s arms.
Then the whining schoolboy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. 

And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress’ eyebrow. 

Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honor, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon’s mouth. 

And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. 

The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slippered pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side;
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank, and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. 

Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.

William Shakespeare, 1564 - 1616

Oblivion? Or the flipside.  It's your choice.


My avatar circa 23 years old.

Wednesday

The hidden legacy of Michael Jackson



Michael Jackson

"Those people made up a goddamn story because they wanted money and we will not allow that to go unchecked," Branca said following a talk at Harvard Law School. 
From "Michael Jackson Co-Executor John Branca Says He's Considering Suing 'Leaving Neverland' Director Dan Reed" in Billboard.com
Photo Michael Jackson performs during Rose Bowl in Pasadena. Steve Granitz/Getty Images
"Michael Jackson estate co-executor John Branca spoke publicly for the first time about Leaving Neverland on April 16 and indicated that additional litigation -- this time against the documentary's director Dan Reed -- may be forthcoming. Branca and two of the other members of Jackson's estate legal team, Howard Weitzman and Bryan Freedman, were the the key participants in the panel discussion titled "Trial by Media: Guilty Until Proven Innocent" presented at Harvard’s Institute of Politics in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

....In response to Branca's comments, an HBO spokesperson said, "Dan Reed is a proven, award-winning filmmaker and we have full confidence in his film."
(Branca said) "Dan Reed's documentary is replete with inaccuracies, lies and stuff they knew not to be true," Branca told Billboard. "They should be ashamed of themselves." ...."Hopefully the real truth will come out, other facts will come out and people will pay attention to both sides of the story," said Branca. "From the point of view of society, I want to make it so people feel comfortable saying, 'I love Michael's music.'"  "Michael," Branca said to Billboard, "is too big to fail."

Well...

Here's the "OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY" - that contains the flipside aspects to this journey. 


It's all disconcerting... until you realize that this may have been planned in advance on the Flipside.

"The Definition of Legacy: The dictionary would define Legacy as a gift or a bequest, that is handed down, endowed or conveyed from one person to another. It is something descendible one comes into possession of that is transmitted, inherited or received from a predecessor."

What we've learned in our deep dive into the flipside, interviewing people post mortem about their lives, their motivations and why they were on the planet in the first place, Michael has "turned up" in our discussions ("Backstage Pass to the Flipside: Talking to the Afterlife with Jennifer Shaffer.") After "Leaving Neverland" ran, our discussions turned to "why?" or whether it was part of a cycle (as often those who molest were molested themselves.)

In our "interview" he said that was accurate; that he had been molested by a "friend of the family" and it began at the age of 5. (If I "out" someone reporting from the flipside, can they sue? You can't libel folks no longer on the planet. Still, the detail must give one pause.) But the larger, more profound portrait that emerges is his report that this part of his legacy was part of why he signed up for this lifetime.

That teaching lessons in love, forgiveness, redemption takes many forms - and our discussion of these events. he said was also part of his legacy and why he "signed up for it." (According to this research, people claim we "sign up" for lifetimes, even difficult ones, and have the free will to turn one down we think we can't handle.) 

As reported in "It's a Wonderful Afterlife" a friend revealed under deep hypnosis the molestation she experienced as a child had been "agreed to" so she could teach the perpetrator lessons in the "negativity of his actions." After seeing this part of her journey from that perspective, she later said "years of therapy" dissolved when she realized she'd known this person many lifetimes, and had agreed to teach him that difficult, profound lesson.

Hearing that some of our most difficult pathways were planned in advance may be disconcerting for many, but it is in the research. I'd be remiss if I didn't report what I've been hearing consistently during these flipside interviews or from folks under deep hypnosis. It's not my theory, belief or opinion people say these things either under deep hypnosis or during a flipside "interview;" I'm only reporting what they consistently say. 

Michael's reputation and our ability to hear his talent will occur only after we come to the realization that the portrait of any soul is much deeper and more complex than we know on the surface. When we come to realize that the actions of one lifetime are merely part of the overall portrait of who someone becomes - that we don't die, we move on to learn or teach more lessons in unconditional love. His music lives on, but his legacy just became more complex.

As it's said; "hate the sin, not the sinner." In this case, we can all learn how to spot signs of abuse early, help the person being abused, help the perpetrator to understand the source of his or her abuse, and how these actions fit into their overall path or journey. People can and do heal from all manner of abuse. "The meaning of life according to Viktor Frankl, lies in finding a purpose and taking responsibility for ourselves and other human beings" or to paraphrase the Dalai Lama; "You can't control how others behave, but you can control how you react to them." 



Excerpt from our interview with "the King of Pop" - (will be part of a book, but since people have asked, here's an excerpt: 


As usual, Medium Jennifer Shaffer and I begin our session with me either mentioning who I invited to the session, or letting Jennifer “guess” who I invited.  Sometimes she says it on the first try, sometimes it takes three different attempts; it’s a bit of a guessing game for our friends on the flipside as well, as they project the images that lead to the name of the person who’s standing by to be interviewed. 

In this case, I remembered that Michael Jackson had shown up a couple of weeks earlier, and I asked him to take a seat while we interviewed someone else. He had shown up with Prince, a frequent contributor to our interviews, and appeared in "Hacking the Afterlife" and often in "Backstage Pass to the Flipside."

My questions are in italics, Jennifer Shaffer replies in bold.  This was filmed on March 12th, 2019, after the screening of “Finding Neverland” on HBO (which Jennifer and I have yet to view).


RICHARD: Last week we interrupted Prince who had shown up with Michael Jackson. Sorry about that. What do they want to say? That’s my question - do they want to talk? Is Michael here?
JENNIFER: Yes.
So Michael, you’ve been in the news lately.
“He’s happy that it’s out. It’s healing and it’s helping others.”
Anything you want me to say on your behalf? Or what do you want to say about it?
"He didn’t know how harmful it was. He really loved those boys, like he was ... (trying to find the words) there was a love he didn’t know (how to express)... he was so separated from..."
His emotions?
He says “I meant what I said, I know they’re healing, they’re healing now, I know Oprah interviewed the boys and (know) how it’s helping to break the cycle for everyone...” – Not only was he iconic, you know as a pop star, but he’s... he didn’t.. I don’t know how you could say this... but "this was his life path."
I was going to ask him that.
He said, “Yeah.”

(Note: In the book “It’s a Wonderful Afterlife," a close friend did a deep hypnosis session and on the way to it, revealed she’d been molested by someone in her family. I didn’t know that – said I was sorry to hear it, but perhaps she could learn something during her session.  Five hours in, she got to the point of discussing it – the hypnotherapist didn’t know anything about it, but asked her written question “What was up with you and this person in your life?” And she said “I’m seeing that it was part of my life planning process. I’m seeing that he asked me to participate in those actions in this lifetime... and that I agreed to, or did so to help teach him the lessons in the negativity of his actions.  But I agreed to it.”  Afterwards, she told me that 20 years of therapy had dissolved during the session when she saw she’d had other lifetimes with this same person, and how their bond was not about this temporary stage play but something deeper over many lifetimes.)

Prince, please help him with this if you can. So Michael, you chose this life to not only hit the heights musically but also to hit the depths?
“Absolutely.”
We’ve learned this in the research, not from those boys, not from this case or these boys... but from other people - they signed up for a lifetime to help teach others.
(Jennifer aside:) I asked him, “Is that (also) what you want to remembered by?” and he said “Yes.”
So it’s to help teach a lesson in overcoming negativity, overcoming trauma?
“Yes.” He showed me all the layers of it.
Let me ask you this question - Who’s idea was this? (To have this multilayered lifetime). Your guides? Your teachers? Who came up with the idea of teaching negativity in a healing way?
“It was the environment,” (to be able to do that) he says.
Let’s go back to your life planning session if we can... Prince can we help him go back to his life planning session?
“He has it – he says that all of it...  it was everything.”
So was it your teachers who suggested this? My question is, did you suggest it or your teachers, that you would teach that lesson?
He says “It was all of us, everybody agreed upon it.” He goes.. he showed me something interesting. You don’t have a body (back) there – when you agree upon something like this, you don’t feel it, you aren’t connected to it at all... that was interesting (to observe). I went to a spirit space, where you are looking at people who don’t have bodies, you’re looking at how things can work - it’s like looking at a blueprint... sort of thing.


 (Note: Having filmed 50 sessions of people under deep hypnosis, and having filmed a number of “life planning sessions” I can report this is identical to the research.  Some people say it’s like “arguing a PhD to a group of teachers” in their choice of a lifetime, some report going over what they plan to do in an auditorium full of people who can raise their hand and offer to pitch in or participate in some way.  We all agree to these decisions prior to coming here – I know how difficult that is to hear for people who’ve had relatives suffer or who have suffered themselves.  But when under deep hypnosis, people often access these “planning sessions” – and Jennifer, for the first time that I’ve heard it – points out that it’s easier to “plan something” in the blueprint stage, than to be here with the fallout and reverberations of pain or suffering that occur.  However, that doesn’t change what she’s talking about – and it is basically what I’ve heard dozens of times before.  (Including examing the research from Dr. Helen Wambach and Michael Newton). Everyone participates; sometimes they change their minds, but for the most part, they play the role they’ve agreed to play.)

From an engineering perspective?
It took him becoming famous so that it would get to a point where this would be so big (and affect so many humans) that they could heal from it.
How do they heal from it? Specifically thinking of people who were traumatized by some physical act in their own life...  By exposing something on a global scale - it helps people to heal?
“Correct.”
What’s the message in your own words, that might help heal people?
"Just love. Have self love. Know that it or what happened to you wasn’t ... know that you didn’t cause it."
You mean specifically those boys? Or everyone?
"Everyone who has been in (experienced) it."

(Note: In "Hacking the Afterlife" we asked Robin Williams if he had any message for his fans and friends; his reply "Love love."  When we asked what that meant he said "Love is the engine of the universe. Focus on it, explore it, become part of it, and you'll see that's all that matters.")

It’s not that you personally caused it? Correct me if I’m wrong.
"His surroundings did."
So if we’re looking at it like a play and we’re outside the theater, and we say “We’re going to examine these things in this play, but it’s going to be difficult to examine these things, but the purpose is to heal people by exposing it?
When he left the planet, he said “He was taken directly back to the planning session.” 
Okay. Thank you. May I ask, why were you taking that drug that knocked you out, Rohypnol?
“To help him leave.”
You were in a hurry to get home?
"He had his bags packed, waiting."
But you wouldn’t deliberately try to end it all?
“No.”
May I ask, was your consciousness still working while you were in that stupor state, what was your consciousness doing?
He said “He was getting ready to go.” Bags packed. He showed me like a Mayflower moving truck. I just saw the fire.... you know when he caught on fire?
During the Pepsi commercial... Okay. Some did say you never quite recovered from that. If I may ask – did someone abuse you emotionally or physically? Who abused you?
“His father abused him emotionally, and allowed that (other abuse) to happen by being in that industry. But as to who molested him; it felt like an uncle.”
You were molested by someone close?
“Yes. It was someone in the music industry – just feels like an uncle.”
How old were you?
“Five.”
Someone in the music industry?
“Yes.”
But I’ll guess that this “Uncle” was abused as well... the cycle has gone on for everyone. I’m not trying to mitigate it or point a finger.
He knows that.
You said you were... glad... that this documentary came out?
“Yes, that was the point. He had to leave in order for it to come out – because it was so big, many people are able to heal in this way. It took someone as big as him in order to help people heal.”
Okay, Michael thank you – I felt bad because you showed up two weeks ago and we tabled our discussion because we were talking to someone else.
It was to get in your head for our discussion now.
I haven’t seen the film yet and am not looking forward to it. But now I understand why it needed to be made. Thank you for explaining that. (Excerpt from "Backstage Pass to the Flipside: Talking to the Afterlife with Jennifer Shaffer BOOK THREE. All Rights Reserved, copyright Richard Martini 2019)


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