HACKING THE AFTERLIFE with Stanley Kubrick and Napoleon

TALKING TO NAPOLEON AND HIS PAL STANLEY

This is an excerpt from the book "Backstage Pass to the Flipside 3" (Homina Publishing, 2020, All Rights Reserved.)  Book is available at Amazon, Engram Spark, all online outlets.

Reason I'm posting it is recently a wag on Quora noted "Everyone who has a past life regression thinks they were Napoleon."

I pointed out statistically that's not the case - in the 100 cases I've filmed, or the 2750 clinical case studies by Dr. Wambach, or in the 7000 reported by Michael Newton and the Newton Institute - not a single person recalled the life of Mr. Bonaparte.

Further that we had "chatted with Napoleon" and that he pointed the finger at the culprit who poisoned him.  This person got upset that I reported that - called me a "fraud" (a surefire ticket to the cornfield in the forum "Hacking the Afterlife" on quora), and I left the story at that.  However, for those who are curious about this "chatting with the afterlife" process - I dug up the interview.

Having worked for an Oscar winning screenwriter, remaining pals and demonstrating to him how we can access people on the flipside, one day he casually mentioned he was curious about a detail about Napoleon's life.  I suggested that we might see if it was possible to ask him questions.  I said "Let's pretend we can. What would you like to ask him?"

The construct is this; I work with Jennifer Shaffer, who works with law enforcement agencies nationwide on missing person cases. I've demonstrated in our work, weekly for six years now, that people can access loved ones on the flipside, get new information from them. (For examples, see the film "Talking to Bill Paxton" on Gaia where I  converse with my old pal via three different mediums, asking the same questions and getting the same answers.) Jennifer solved a case for NYPD commissioner Bill Bratton which got her a ticket to NYC where he grilled her as to how or why she knew details about the case - how she could accurately describe what forensically happened.

The screenwriter and I have a mutual friend in the flipside - Luana Anders, who helps us facilitate these conversations. How Luana and I met is covered in "Flipside" and that fact she passed in 1996 is unusual - except "it is what it is." She started showing up with new information from the flipside, and somewhere around 2004 I began studying how that could be. And it was through Luana's intercession that I went to work for this screenwriter out of film school.

So how do we get to Napoleon? How to "dial him up?" 

Well, that would be through his pal Stanley.  Stanley Kubrick wrote a script about him and we had seen Stanley in another interview before - he talked about his love of his dogs (a detail I wasn't aware of and turned out to be accurate) - and Luana worked with a number of actors who worked with Kubrick... so in the "six degrees of separation" - the process is this: if you know someone on the flipside who knew someone in life, the ability of them to access those folks on the flipside is easier.

No other way to put it.

Luana knew actors who worked with Brando, who were friends with Brando, who knew James Dean, who knew everyone... etc. So we have a lot of actors in the class.  I worked with Ray Charles ("Limit Up" he plays God), so when Ray shows up in the "class" every musician who knew or liked Ray is accessible.  

I know that's problematic for some - but I'm not here to pave the road, repair the fences.  Just reporting.

So when the writer of Chinatown asks me to ask our mutual friend Luana to access Napoleon, I can only guess that Kubrick has probably already sought the Emperor out after spending so many years on his life writing about him. 

That conversation follows:

(Filmed in Jennifer Shaffer's office or in the restaurant Fishbar in Manhattan Beach. Sometime in 2019 or 2020. Excerpt from "Backstage Pass to the Flipside 3" page 175. All rights reserved.)

The Louvre: Napoleon.  

NAPOLEON  STANLEY KUBRICK

Another day, another trip to the fieldhouse on the flipside.  In this session, I decided to see if I could call upon a historical person, someone I knew that I had no possible connection to.  The questions I asked him were related to questions posed to me by an Oscar award winning screenwriter.

Rich: I talked to somebody yesterday who we interviewed in your office. My old boss, the screenwriter Robert Towne; friend of Luana’s.

Jennifer: He came to mind.

I told him what we were doing and I said if you could talk to anyone on the flipside who would you like to talk to?

His dad just came through but I know that’s not who he wanted to talk to.

I told him “You can talk to anybody.”  I’ll tell you this, it’s a historical figure.

The first person that showed up was Abraham Lincoln, but I don’t think it was him.

Well perhaps Abraham can help us. Luana knows who this is, because it was I was talking to.

Was he a soldier during the Civil War?

He was a soldier but not during our Civil War. I’ll tell you that he wasn’t from this country.

Winston Churchill?

No, longer ago. If I give you a hint, you’ll get it.

Mohammed Ali just showed up as well.

He’s got to talk to us at a later date.  200 years ago my dear.  I have to think about this – we normally have someone in our class who knows someone who knows someone. Luana has to ask her friend.

When was Napoleon?

That’s it. (Ding!) He was around 1820.

Napoleon! How many tries did that take?

It doesn’t matter. (For those keeping score, it was five.)

It’s frustrating. Finally they showed me Napoleon.

Who showed you Napoleon?

Luana.

Can we talk to him directly?

Um... He’s a little bit of a shit. Give me a second. Yeah, I guess we can. Mmm-hmm.

What do you see in your minds’ eye?

He’s actually kind of handsome.

Can you see his face?

I see his lashes – he’s actually quite handsome.

Can you touch his hand?

There’s something on his hand, felt like there’s a wound on his hand.

Lets ask him – how did you get this wound my friend?

It feels like psoriasis – everything was cracking.

Look around the class; is this unusual for you to be here?

Yes it is. He was here like 3 times before when we were talking to George Washington.

So you recognize a few people in this group?

“Yes.”

So you guys in our class that know him, can you help?

They are.

Mr. Napoleon – I apologize for having to take time out of your day, but I have some questions for you.

I keep getting ... based upon the paintings I’ve seen of him – he had lighter eyes.

Let’s ask him – what color are your eyes?

They’re blue.

(Note: “His eyes, deep-set, were reportedly gray or gray-blue.” Wikipedia.)

They’re dark on the outer iris and blue inside.

Who was there to greet you when crossed over?

“His mother.” He showed me there were 2 days he was going in and out of consciousness.

What were you ill from?

I want to say it was something around here (gestures) in the stomach.

Was that natural issue, or was that something given to you that you died from?

“I felt like it was... transmitted.  I also got an image of the plague.” I don’t know what that means.

Who transmitted that into your body?

Felt like “It was in the water.”

So let’s talk about that – did someone administer that stuff in the water, or was it natural from the place you were?

“It was not natural,” he says.

So somebody put it in your water or food?

“Yes; felt like a drink.”

Tell Jennifer what it was.

“It was poison.”

Someone in class, can you put it in her mind what kind of poison that was and who administered it?

“Someone very close to him – first I got a female, then I got someone who was trying to overrule him. Felt like somebody he trusted, like a captain or something.”

A man?

“Yes, maybe it was the nurse that administered it.”

I’m going to ask you about a woman who was there when you died. 

He’s telling me “Serafina.”  Sounds like Serafina.

I’d like to ask you Betsy Balcome.

“She was a child. It felt like there were three kids. It felt like there were three kids associated with Betsy. She was like 9 when she met him.”

That’s about right.

(Note: She was 12. She lived on St. Helena with her two siblings and befriended Napoleon at age 12.)

“She could actually see – she was clairvoyant.”

What makes you say that?

I saw information coming from the heavens (waves her hand)

Napoleon, was Betsy giving you messages from the flipside? Or were you friends?

“Yes,” he’s saying “He protected her. He was like a mom to a child, brother and sister, he protected her.”

It’s reported your last words were you reporting for duty.

“Yes. He saw his horse.”

(Note: Reportedly, Napoleon’s last words were, “France.  L'armée. Tête d'armée. Joséphine ("France, the army, head of the army, Joséphine").  I noted in “Flipside” that it sounds like he’s reporting for duty, and then sees the love of his life.)

There was a woman you had a long relationship with.

“16... like 16 years.”

(Note: Napoleon married Josephine, the widow of a man killed during the reign of terror, they were together as lovers and then married for 16 years. She died in 1814, he died 7 years later in 1821.)

They said you called out her name. Her name was Josephine.

“Sara Josephine” – which is my sister’s name – “Serafina.” That’s why I was hearing “Serafina.”

Let’s talk about your journey – have you incarnated since?

“No. I saw a picture of (current President) and started freaking out.”

I suspect you are talking about these individuals in terms of the negative energy they represent. Were you part of that energy?

“Yes.”

What was up with you and Russia? Is that the Trump connection?

“Yes.”

Millions died while you tried to conquer Russia, what were you doing?

“Trying to take over the world.”

What could you possibly gain?

He says “In his demented mind he thought it would bring more peace under one rule.”

Who did you say thanks to?

He made a “poof” sound.

That’s very French. (Italians say “Boh!” and the French say “Poof!”) He did have a lot of ego, is he still carrying that around?

He says “No more than Prince.”

Touche’ - okay, what actor might represent you on the planet?

Joe Pesci.

Were you Etruscan?  Like Danny DeVito, they were notoriously short.

They were well bred. No; it was like his father’s father that was short. “Somebody ruined the gene pool,” he said. Why is Joe Pesci showing up? He’s showing me he had Joe Pesci’s attitude as depicted in movies; killing people. Now he’s showing me a screenwriter, how they try to take over the world with movies. He says “I had a lot of blood shed, more people died. It’s easier to make movies where people die and they don’t bleed.”

I’m aware a couple of filmmakers have tried to make a film about you.

He knows that. Who was the guy that was in the “Ten Commandments?”

Charlton Heston?

“He’s over there.”

Have we talked to Stanley Kubrick yet?

I don’t know who that is. We’re not done with Napoleon!

It’s okay, is Stanley around?

Yeah, he is. He says “He’s a step ahead of you.”

Stanley; this is Napoleon. You wrote a long movie about this fellow.

Native son.

I asked “Did you get the story right?” and he said “No... the ending was wrong. That’s why there were blocks about getting it made.

The ending was wrong? You mean the truth about Napoleon being poisoned?

“Yes. They always wanted it to be an enemy but it was his best friend.”

Okay, I think I know who that is – the guy who invited him to St. Helena.

“Yes.”

Here you are talking to Stanley who wanted to make a movie about you – and Luana’s friend Jack wanted to make a film about you...

Jack Nicholson.

Correct. And yet Jack appeared in another one of Stanley’s films.

Was that the redrum movie?

Very good.

He just showed me Jack’s head. “The Shining.”

Who was there to greet you when you crossed over Stanley?

When did he pass?

Like ten years ago. After the Tom Cruise movie came out.

“Eyes Wide Shut” Stanley?

Yes, Clockwork Orange, The Shining... Who was there to greet you when you crossed over?

He’s showing me his dog. Kind of grayish... first I saw something blond...

A hound?

It’s bigger... really big. I’m not sure of the name – I don’t know breeds.

(Note: This is accurate in terms of Stanley’s affection for his dogs. According to a recent documentary, he moved to a larger home specifically to make room for his dogs and left detailed instructions about each one and how they should be fed. “At home, children and animals would frequently come in and out of the room as he worked on a script or met with an actor. Kubrick's many dogs and cats, toward which he showed an extraordinary affection, were often brought onto film sets or editing rooms.” Wikipedia)

What do you miss about being on the planet?

“The smells, the tastes, the frequency – I have to tell you more about that too.”

You were famous for not flying... was that OCD?

He showed me having panic attacks, but now he knows it was a past life thing. Now he does. He’s showing me how his mind works.

Who do you wish you could talk to?

Everyone’s laughing because he said “Luana.”

Why?

“Because it’s like you have to take a number to talk to her. You have to take a number.”

Who do you want me to reach out to?

Jack.

And say what?

“Stanley wants Jack to know that he’s okay.”

You want me to tell Jack that he’s going to be okay?

“Yes.” He’s showing me the letters that were found in the furniture at Jack’s home.

That was a copy of Marlon Brando’s will that Jack found hidden in a chair. Marlon, do you want to weigh in on this?

“Yes.”

(Note: Brando’s will was found in a chair in Jack Nicholson’s home (he lived next door.) Jack didn’t know how it got there, but made a copy and sent it off to Marlon’s attorney.  A friend of mine showed me a copy and it clearly was altered (Marlon’s signature isn’t his signature). I mentioned this when we interviewed him in “Backstage Pass to the Flipside.” I won’t belabor the point here but reportedly (from him) his heirs didn’t get what he wanted them to get.)

You were very quiet the last time we talked to you.

“I don’t say much anyway. I don’t need to. I can feel it.”

Well, Jennifer’s got to run, sorry we have to let you go Marlon. Napoleon thanks for coming in to see us...

He says “He’ll haunt you in your dreams.”

Stanley we’re all fans of yours.

Was he a Buddhist?

He may be now. Anything you want us to tell your friends?

He says “He loves Nicole and Keith (Urban).”

Were you a fan of Nicole?

“Huge.”

Our pal Jan Sharp was close to her.

“Yeah.” 

Okay, next time! Thanks class.

It feels like we’re bouncing around the playground, but I’ve found that by just filming and transcribing, it’s the overall effect that makes these interviews notable. They consistently say the same things despite being years apart in some cases.

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Again - I'm just reporting.

People can argue with the process. People can complain about the process. But by doing this repeatedly - using hypnotherapy to access previous lifetimes, using mediums to access people on the flipside directly, or using guided meditation ("Architecture of the Afterlife" where I film 50 without hypnosis accessing the same information) we get a better handle on how things work.

"Everyone gets out of here alive."  

We all go "home." We are always accessible, even if we've reincarnated (returned.)  We only bring about a third of our conscious energy, so two thirds is always "back home" and accessible. Even if it's that fellow from France.

My two cents.

 

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These are excerpts from the book “Backstage Pass to the Flipside 3.”  In the book, Jennifer Shaffer and I have weekly conversations with whomever shows up to chat with us.

On behalf of Dr. Martin Luther King, I’m excerpting a few of the passages where he made an appearance.  In this first instance, we were interviewing Muhammed Ali, when Jennifer said “Martin Luther King showed up a few minutes ago.”  It was the end of our session, so I took that last minute of it to ask him a few questions.

 

My questions and comments are in italics, and Jennifer Shaffer's answers are in bold. We've been conducting these interviews for five years now on a weekly basis.  In this case, because it was MLK's birthday I decided to see if he was available to converse with us.

In the construct of this class, I "ask" my friend Luana Anders on the Flipside if he can join us in the classroom. Then when I go to see Jennifer I ask her if "anyone" has come to class.  Often she mentions the name of the person I've requested.

I ask the same questions "who was there to greet you?" in order to start a conversation before getting into difficult areas.  However, in Hoover's case, I just went to the questions I was curious about. In Gandhi's case, how could I not ask him some questions if he stopped by our class? I've been in his home, some of his ashes are scattered near our home in Santa Monica - and I've been to the shrine in Delhi were he died.

During an interview with Aretha Franklin from "Backstage Pass" where she spoke to us about her handwritten will and to reach out to her niece (who it turns out is the executor of her estate. As noted in the book, the niece did "not think we were communicating with her Aunt" but allowed that she speaks to her mother on the flipside often. 

In this instance, Prince has shown up along with Dr. King. Prince mentions something about my guitar playing, which is always amusing when he does so. It's usually said the day after I was playing something or working on a tune.  But after saying hello, I asked:

Rich: Dr. King; who was there to greet you when you crossed over?

Jennifer: He showed me a child running to him.

A child you had in this life, or a previous life?

Doesn’t feel like one of his children – doesn’t feel like a child from his wife. But a child of his.

What do you miss if anything about being on the planet?

He says “Rumbling.” 

(Note: I have never heard someone refer to argument as a rumble – but Merriam Webster and Collins dictionaries both list is as a “form of argument.”)

He says, “I miss talking...” - he shows me fighting for peace, but not fighting – “rumbling for peace” but being peaceful with it.”

Did you know you were going to pass away at a young age?

He showed me himself as a young boy and how he always knew he’d die early. He says, “And that knowledge, it’s what made him live every single day as if knowing he was going to die young.”

What do you want to tell your family and friends?

He says, “To not give up fighting for peace... and then showed me (the current/soon to be former administration.) To keep fighting.”

Whenever I hear your voice speaking, it freezes me in its tracks.

(Note: In high school I was in a play where I got to recite the “I have a dream” speech. Always gives me a chill when I hear it)

“It was the frequency you’d recognize.”

The frequency of compassion, unconditional love?

“A knowing that things were going to be okay; it was a frequency that gave people comfort.”

What do you miss about being here?

He says “Being on separate busses? I don’t miss that.” (Laughter) He says “I miss music. I miss the innovation to stand up for yourself. You’re doing that now.”

What’s it feel like to be an inspiration to folks?

He’s showing me all the presidents – He says, “Everybody was... they were all inspirations.” He just showed me the good foot guy... the guy with the big hair...

James Brown?

(Jennifer nods)

The concert that calmed Boston - James Brown

There he is... he showed me James Brown. He says, “They’ve having fun.” That’s what I got.

Well, thank you Dr. King, Muhammed Ali, James Brown, Jennifer’s got to run but we’ll catch you in a future meeting.

Note: James Brown addressed an angry Boston crowd after the death of Dr. King on April 5^th, 1968. It was a concert he insisted on performing as he felt his voice could help calm people.  That speech is credited with “saving Boston” on that day. https://www.wgbh.org/news/2018/04/05/news/remembering-james-brown-concert-calmed-boston)

Some time later, Dr. King made another appearance in our “class.” 

(From “Backstage Pass to the Flipside 3” Homina Publishing, All Rights Reserved.)

Backstage Pass to the Flipside 1, 2, 3

MARTIN LUTHER KING, HOOVER, GANDHI

Rich: Hi class, here we are with Jennifer. Luana, who is here in class that wants to talk to us in class today?

Jennifer: First person that came through is Prince. He’s showing me you playing the guitar... that’s his way of showing that you were playing music...

Well, I referenced him yesterday because the sky had gone “Prince.”

It was gorgeous.

Purple.. but Prince, today is a national holiday for someone we’ve met in class.

Martin Luther King.

We’ve met him briefly. Prince, do want to bring your friend forward so we can talk to him?

He’s talking about the government shutting down. There’s a lot of people concerned about not being paid and abuse of power.

Can we talk to you Dr. King for a couple of minutes?

“Yes.” He’s talking to the guy with big hair.

(Note: We’ve filmed enough of these interviews for me to understand what Jennifer is saying even when obscure.)

James Brown?

“Yes.”

Martin we’ve spoken briefly before, we do share an alma mater.

He said, “Yes.”

Dr. King, why did you choose Boston University to go to college?

He said, “He wanted to be closer to people who were going to change things... and there was family there.” I think he brought his family.

He did. What do you remember about Boston?

He said, “It was cold!” He says, “It was opening up, thinking wise... a different way of thinking.” Um. I don’t think he felt he was going to have more support from Boston, but (more like) “Boston needed his support.”

(Note: Boston is one of the windiest cities in the U.S. Nothing quite like walking across the B.U. bridge in winter.  Boston went through a revolution in the 1070’s with bussing as one of the lightning rods that created riots when I was in school there. Neither one of these details Jennifer would be familiar with.)

I would offer that getting your Doctor of Theology in Boston gave people a different perspective of you.

He says, “Absolutely.”

We’ve asked about who was there to greet you when you crossed over, and you mentioned a child. Who else?

I think his younger brother... and his mother.

(Note: MLK’s younger brother was Alfred Daniel Williams King, born 1930, died July 21^st, 1969 from accidental drowning (His family wasn’t sure how he died, but was found in the pool). Martin’s mother was alive when he died, so I asked the following:)

Your brother and mother or someone like your mother?

He said, “It wasn’t his mother; it was his grandmother.” I got mother first, I’m asking Luana to help so I can hear him better... “It was somebody who raised him, felt like someone who raised him. I presume it was his grandmother.” He says “Everybody raised me.”

Who were you surprised to see on the other side if anyone?

He says, “He was surprised to see a lot of different people.” I’m seeing President Kennedy… it felt like he had... (Jennifer listens) He says “Just the different multiracial people who were there – there wasn’t color – there was no color.”

Did you say JFK was one of the people who came to greet you?

(Jennifer aside) That was the first thing he said, but in my head I’m thinking “Did JFK die after him?”

Try not to judge it. What did you and John have to say to each other?

He says, “Thank you... and... that was a hell of a trip.”

We’ve spoken briefly to JFK; He died in 1963 and MLK in 1968.

(Jennifer aside) I must look silly to not know these historical dates.

Well, it just shows that you’re not trying to piece something together, you know? Martin can we go to the last day on the planet you were here?

“Yes.”

That fateful day in 1968

Who was this guy who shot you? Was this just one angry guy or some overall group?

He says, “It was an overall group.”

Can you point to one person in particular?

It looks like Ku Klux Klan... (Jennifer aside) I’m seeing a (white) hat.

Are you seeing a Klan hat? Was this a political thing?

He says, “It was a political thing.”

So, you were very aware of the shortness of your lifespan, because you spoke of it often in your speeches “I may not get there with you.”  Let me ask, when it finally happened, what was the feeling? Some people say “It’s a relief?

He said, “(It was a) Relief. Yes.”

I don’t mean that in a negative way, just observing that the last ten years of your life were under constant threat.

“Correct” he said.

Let me ask you to address something... Hoover had a burr up his ass about you Martin... Martin, have you talked to him since you’ve been over there?

He says, “They do it every time they come to earth. They switch roles.”

(Note: This is not a controversial thing to say in light of this research, people do report “switching roles” in different lifetimes. But it is controversial nonetheless, when speaking of such iconic figures.  For the record, I ask Hoover to step forward briefly to answer the same questions.)

Luana, can you bring Hoover forward? Just briefly?

J. Edgar

He just said, “All the President’s Men.” He’s smoking. (There’s) A lot of cigar smoke.

(Note: Not a fan of Hoover, and getting straight to the point to see how he might respond.)

You were notoriously a cross dresser; what was that about?

He says “He just thought it was kind of fun.” I feel like he did it since he was little.

No judgment here; was that just a crossdressing thing, and/or were you gay?

He says, “I was.”

I want to ask you about a young Chicagoan – a guy named Fred Hampton. When he was he killed by the Chicago Police, were you involved?

He says, “They did it to protect him.”

Who, Hoover?

“Yeah.” He says, “He didn’t pull the trigger...”

Right, the Chicago Police pulled the trigger ... Did you order them to? Or did the Chicago PD just do it on their own, as they were trying to eliminate the Black Panthers?

He says, “Yeah. They blamed him (Hampton), that kid for something he didn’t do.”  (Jennifer aside) I don’t know anything about this.

Can we bring Fred Hampton forward Lu?

Um. I’m not getting a yes or a no.

Okay, very good, at a later date. Let’s table that for now. I’ve been working on a story about him, but I’d really like to get a thumbs up or down from him.

I’m getting a thumbs up.

(Note: I know that Jennifer knows nothing about the assassination of Fred Hampton, a young Chicagoan who fell into the job as the local head of the Black Panthers.  He started free clinics for poor people and food banks, and the Chicago Police executed him as a result.  I wrote a script about him, showed it around to a few people, but ultimately was thrilled to hear that the director of “Black Panther” has produced a version soon to be coming out. In the search for the truth, I was happy to hear that at least “someone made the story.”)

Fred Hampton "Power to all the people"

J. Edgar, who was there to greet you on the other side?

His nanny or his care giver. He’s telling me that Susan B Anthony was one of them.

What? Did you know Susan B Anthony?

He’s showing me what feels like a mother son relationship.

(Note: Susan B Anthony, the famous suffragette, died when Hoover was 11. For Jennifer to pull a “Susan B Anthony” reference during an interview means there’s likely something that connects them. (Perhaps he liked her clothes?) Sorry, couldn’t resist.)

Listen, it’s long been rumored, there may even be evidence of it, but you’re assistant, Clyde Tolson, is that accurate to say he was your lover?

He says, “Yes. Abraham Lincoln had the same.”

Wait a second, you’re outing Abe? We’ve had that discussion already with Abe and he specifically said that while he did have a male adjutant that he slept with while traveling, the idea of crossing the sexual line wasn’t something he would have done. He says he was honorable with the people he worked with.

He said, “He’s very honest, Abe is. Very honest.”

(Note: This is quite unlike Jennifer to make this kind of a sarcastic comment.  But she said it without any prompting, so we’ll credit it to J. Edgar.)

Very funny J. Edgar. Although you were less so – what was your life review like?

(Jennifer aside) He showed me me – then he showed me his mind, how it wasn’t normal.

While he was on the planet?

He’s showing me that as a result of something being wrong with his mind, that’s part of the reason he did the things he did.

(Note: She appears to be reporting that from the perspective of the higher self,  the “higher Hoover” knew something was off about his brain. Could be paranoia, any host of complaints about the man that Lyndon Johnson was about to fire, and then after their meeting made him “FBI Director for life.”  Many have surmised that Hoover showed Johnson the amount of dirt he’d dug up on him over his lifetime.)

I’m sorry Dr. King, to interrupt our conversation to speak to Mr. Hoover, since he was responsible for so much stress during your lifetime. I understand that was his role, and part of his role – but let’s go back to you Martin for a moment. What do you miss about being on the planet?

He said, “He missed grapes.” He showed me wine, (Jennifer aside) I’m not saying he drank wine, he’s showing me that as a metaphor; “He misses the ability to taste and smell.”  He says, “He misses the banter.”

Between friends? Or adversaries?

He said, “Both. Just knowing that you can do something about something horrible.”

Out of all the people you met in life, who most impressed you? In terms of demeanor, honesty, stature?

He said, “His wife.”

(Note: I didn’t mean to lob him a softball he could smack over the fence, had no idea what he would say, but it’s as profound as any I’ve heard.)

Dr. King and Coretta Scott

Good answer. Let me ask you, there’s someone we’ve chatted with that you paid a lot of respect to; a particular person in our class.

Muhammed Ali and one of his daughters

(Jennifer aside) Was it Muhammed Ali? That is who he showed me.

(Ding!) Yes. Could you bring him forward? What do you guys talk about?

He said, “Our next plot for our next “go round.” Martin wants to be the boxer, and Ali might be taking on his role.”

(Note: It’s a small detail, but the only time I’ve heard “go round” mentioned before is in professional bull riding.  In the film I shot 2^nd unit, “Cowboy Up” they call the next bull ride, “the next “go round.” It may be in other sports as well, but that’s the only place I’ve heard it.)

Muhammed Ali was quite the preacher, and a poet.

He says, “They both had the same sarcastic love and loyalty to one another.” (Jennifer listens, responds “Yes.”) They’re saying “They would die for each other.”

Why did you say “yes” just now?

He was just telling me how much he loved Martin, and how they’d die for each other...

Who was there to greet you when you crossed over?

(Jennifer aside) I think it’s a daughter. A daughter he lost in life. I think she was a baby when she died.

We’ve heard that often – people are greeted by the child they lost. A child who was there to greet you when you crossed over?

He says, “Yes.”

You spent the later years with Parkinson’s.  You were still pretty funny – your punchlines were hilarious.

He said, “I always had it going on. “Just do it” was my motto!”

Nike stole that from you?

He says, “Yes.”

I remember the story of how you had a teacher who told you that you wouldn’t amount to anything... and how you used that insult to fuel your boxing career.

“Hell yeah!” he said.

What are you doing over there? How do you entertain yourself?

He says, “He dances a lot – he’s showing me when he was young and dancing.” He says, “He talks to Prince...” (Jennifer listens:) hold on... he hangs out with John Kennedy. They’re all planning their next... venture. They’re showing me what they loved – they know what they loved, I’m sorry – he just showed me all the curves of women. ...........

(continued)

Let’s skip back to Martin, are you still here?

He’s talking to James Brown, Muhammed Ali, Tom Petty.

There is someone we’ve spoken to who had a profound influence on you Martin? I’m thinking of someone who’s life and journey influenced you...

Was it President Lincoln?

Like him, but someone else.

He’s showing me – Gandhi.

(Ding!)

Gandhiji

(Note: Jennifer and I have been doing this for a long time. It’s not that I’m thinking of someone and she’s picking up on it – I know having worked with her for five years that I can refer to someone, and the person I’m thinking of will show up on the flipside. Or – they’re already on the flipside waiting for me to introduce them.)

Have you talked to Gandhi since you’ve been over there?

He says “He talked to him while he was still alive.”

(Note: I didn’t follow this answer up – but I assumed he meant that he “prayed” or asked for guidance from Gandhi in the darkest hours of the Civil Rights Movement.)

We spoke to you Gandiji – you told us the first words in the afterlife were “Hey Rama...”

He showed me all the lights that came towards him.

Can we ask Gandhi some questions on Martin Luther King day?

He says, “Yes.”

What was it about nonviolence? Was it something you thought was effective or part of your journey?

He says, “All of it. Humans just shouldn’t be abused. Humans... shouldn’t be...” (Jennifer aside: show me that again... He’s very charming by the way.)

How do you see him? Young or old?

Like in his 30’s – he showed me a picture that my girlfriend has of him.  His voice is just very peaceful.

Who was there to greet you when you crossed over?

He says, “It was everyone that he’s ever helped. All the lights were coming towards him.”

What do you miss about being on the planet if anything?

He’s giving me the sense of walking in the dirt barefoot. Also hot, crisp air. He misses his mother’s cooking. His mother was there to greet him. He’s showing me she was there often (visiting him after she crossed over), like he was going there and coming back. He’s showing me something like rice and seashells and corn.. bread... I wanted to say like um... like jambalaya.

I’ve been to your home in Mumbai, Gandhiji, and have walked around the museum of your home.

The back room – was it all white? It was his meditation room?

(Ding!)

(Note: One day while making a Bollywood film (“My Bollywood Bride”) I wandered off to visit his home. It was a hot day, the museum was empty and I found myself alone in the back room where they had the spinning wheel where he made his own clothes.)

Yes, where he used to make cloth – it was all white.

He’s showing it to me.  “That was his favorite room,” he says; “That and the kitchen.”

Is there anything about that lifetime you regret that you didn’t do or wish you had done?

He says, “He wishes he wouldn’t have been idolized. He wishes he could have helped more.”

You helped a lot of people.

He says, “I know.”

From your perspective now, people have to go through things?

“Correct.”

So those journeys of suffering...

He showed me Maverick again. (John McCain.)

Maverick and an old friend Joe

(Note: As we’ve learned people can learn a lot about life through suffering, and McCain saw a lot of learning. In our interview with him, the suffering he experienced as  POW, the trials and tribulations of his career, and later the cancer that took his life – all forms of difficulties he powered through.)

So Gandiji – have you reincarnated since, are you thinking about it?

He says, “No; they’re getting a plan together.”

How about you Dr. King – have you thought about where you want to be in your next life? Who are you going to be in your next life?

He’s showing me a place, a desolate place like North Korea. A place where people would need someone like him to help. What he’s trying to show me, he’s going to remain the same kind of person, but he has to go through different...

To change it... If you’re someone who loves to get into the battlefield,  you choose the most difficult playing field?

“Yes.” He’s saying, “It’s difficult to get others to join him.”

 

This excerpt is from “Backstage Pass to the Flipside 3” written by Richard Martini, Homina Publishing. Copyright Richard Martini 2020. All Rights Reserved. Do not copy or publish this excerpt without permission from the author.