An interview with Nelson Mandela about Green Peace

An interview with Nelson Mandela on the Flipside on behalf of 

"Nelson Mandela Day" 

Happy birthday Mr. President!

Nelson Mandela - Google

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(Excerpted from BACKSTAGE PASS TO THE FLIPSIDE 3: TALKING TO THE AFTERLIFE WITH JENNIFERSHAFFER BOOK THREE (Chapter 27)

Jennifer Shaffer and I in our usual table at a restaurant. We’ve been speaking to the flipside for about half an hour by this point with the help of our class moderator, Luana Anders. Examples of the kinds of interviews we conduct can be found at MartiniZone.com - in this excerpt from the book, my questions are in italics, the answers are in bold.

Luana is there anyone else we need to talk to today?

Jennifer listens, then makes a face.

Richard: Don’t judge it. What?

Jennifer: Nelson Mandela.  

Nelson, welcome - I think we asked Nelson a question or two before – can you sit down and talk to us?  What does he want to say?

I think there’s an anniversary coming up. (Note: It was on June 20^th that he addressed US; June 22^nd the UN; his birthday is July 18^th)

Nelson what do you want to say to us?

He’s showing me you – in my mind’s eye, saying “You’re correct about the planet. There’s layers of it. I see layers going down at once.”

What do you mean by that sir?

He says, “They’re helping the planet from up there like we’re trying to help it from here.”

(Note: I think he means how people on the planet here are trying to help with climate change, people who are no longer on the planet are also trying to help us with awareness from over there.)

So the layers are you guys helping and us trying to help...

(But) He’s showing me like a room full of people on cell phones not paying attention.

What’s a way for us to break through that?

He says, “Your books.”

(Note: This is not a plug for my books or asking for help from flipside. Jennifer answers questions often before I can ask them.  He's referring to the research in the books - that is the thousands of clinical cases from Dr. Helen Wambach ("Reliving Past Lives") or the research from Michael Newton and the Newton institute, or the documentary "Flipside.")

What can I say to them that will help?

“Science” he says.

(Note: I think he means citing the science.  I've filmed over 100 people saying the same things about the afterlife, half under hypnosis, and half are not. They say the same things (consistent data) that folks in Wambach and Newton's work say about journey; those reports are contrary to religious beliefs, opinion or scientific theory.  Reportedly we bring "about a third" of our conscious energy to a lifetime - two thirds is always "back home."  Hence why we are able to converse with him, as he notes later that "part of him is already back here.")

What can we say on your behalf in your words, (coming from) your heart that will convince people this is you speaking?

I hope I’m getting this right; “Peace is when the amazon forest is full of life.”

Okay.

He’s saying, “Full of life.” He’s showing me all the trees, all the animals. “When we take away the amazon we take away the peace of the two different kingdoms – between man and nature - and it makes it so unbalanced that things start happening (natural disasters) like a shark attack, things getting disrupted.”

What can we do to get people to pay attention to the planet in a different fashion?

He’s showing me you on a picket line with a sign.

What’s the sign say?

“Green peace.”

Two words or one word? Greenpeace is an entity.

He says, “No. Two words.”

So two words; “Green Peace.” Do we need your help reaching out to people who should we reach out to? I mean, myself on a picket line is not going to do much for this message - but you had many famous friends. Which of your friends would be receptive to your message?

(Jennifer aside) This is so weird. I’m not going to judge it. He’s showing me Puerto Rico. Something in Puerto Rico – I’m thinking “Why Puerto Rico?” I don’t know.

Hold on – let’s break it down – I asked “Which of your friends.. and you showed her Puerto Rico; does that mean Lyn Manuel Miranda?

(Nodding, tapping her nose for "correct") He said, “Yes.”

I get it.

(Jennifer aside) I don’t know how!

Well... He put it your head to go to my head; Lyn-Manuel is from Puerto Rico; he was recently there with "Hamilton" - (a new thought) Are you saying he should do a play about you?

He said, “It’s already in the works.”

(Note: “Already in the works” could mean “it’s being planned up here on this side of the curtain.” Doesn't mean Lyn-Manuel is doing it - but it could mean that. It could mean there's other projects as well.)

Okay, that’s someone to reach out to... so you want us to tell him; “We were speaking to Nelson Mandela and he told me to reach out to you and tell you there’s a play you’re going to do about him.” Which will convince him that this is actually you speaking... (if he's already writing it - perhaps he isn't yet) and the message he wanted us to pass along is that he wants you to help save the planet through "Green Peace.”

He said, “Yes.”

Okay, who else (can we share this with)?

“To Sting.”

Do you know Sting, Mr. Mandela? Did you meet him?

He showed me Sting and Bono – I think he’s saying “They’ve thought about what’s going on in terms of the Amazon.”

What message to Sting could I pass along knowing it’s coming to you?

He says, “That’s he spoken to him recently.”

Since crossing over?

“Yes.”

In a dream? Or a song?

Just like this – us talking. He was getting a message.

So Sting had a dream or a message recently?

He showed me everyone getting the same message at the same time...

Okay, so everyone is getting this same message we are, Sting is getting a message, and Bono is getting a message? I’ll do my best to reach out to them.

He’s showing me cleaning up the oceans, how dense the salt is in the ocean, we should be cleaning that up. Making clean energy.

So your top three are Bono, Sting and Lyn-Manuel Miranda?

“Yes.” He says “They’re all getting messages, they’re planning it everywhere, they’re all getting the same message.”

So what’s the best way for others to participate and help?

He’s saying “Think tanks. Like minded groups.”

What about President Obama? Should we reach out to him?

(Shakes her head). He’s showing me there’s almost not way to get through.

Well Nelson’s a big name – if he can get the message through, he’ll get it. Not from me, but from someone else.

He says, “He’ll come in later.”

What about your pal Oprah?

I was shown an image of Oprah and her dogs; super happy... that kind of pure happiness. Yes, absolutely; reach out to her.

Look, the people who are aware of my work, aware of Jennifer’s work – the ones who have experienced speaking to their loved ones on the flipside know that we’re not making this up. I’m happy to pass it along. May I ask you some of our mundane questions about your journey, Nelson? Who was there to greet you when you crossed over?

He says, “His mother.”

Okay, who are you hanging out with now?

He showed me some of the members of our class. He’s showing me Luana, for example.

We’ve had quite a gathering of people in this so called class, from Abe Lincoln to Martin Luther king... What do you think of what we’re doing, this connection to our class?

He said, “Amazing. Amazing.” He showed me Morton again, (Michael Newton) how they’re leaning how to talk to people here, and we’re in turn getting people to open up their minds so they can do it.

I was thinking of friends of mine who are from South Africa who might help you...

“You should talk to them, definitely,” he says.

I’ll do my best. That’s cool. So you’re hanging out with people in our class? What do you miss about being on the planet?

He’s showing me tangible, touching. He says, “Holding people. The sand in my toes. The feeling of people – Hugging. Physical touch, water between my feet, sand at the beach, clean water."

I can almost hear you saying “clean water” in your accent.  Are you planning on coming back soon?

He says, “Part of him is already (back) here.”

(Note: This is a bit unusual in that people often report "staying out of the fray" for awhile, to rest and relax.  But there are those who "come back right away" perhaps because they were denied a lifetime outdoors as Nelson Mandela was for so many years.)

Okay, where?

“The Amazon."

As a male or female?

He’s saying “A male.” He showed me a guy with a spear –  I asked “Like are you spearing fish?” He said “No.”

Do you mean like an indigenous native?

“Yes. That’s it.”

What country?

He says, “Peru.”

Peruvian Amazon (Nature.org)

Why did you choose that lifetime?

He says, “I wanted to feel the dirt.” What he’s saying is that he can feel all what this person is feeling, so he’s understanding firsthand that there’s no fish, the animals are dying in the forest.

Peruvian protesters fighting oil companies. (Common Dreams org)

What percentage of your energy is in this guy?

“Thirty” He says.

(Note: Michael Newton would ask people “how much or your conscious energy was in your lifetime?”  I noticed that the number was usually between 20 and 40% or “about a third” or our conscious energy.  Two thirds of that energy is “always” back home.)

He’s showing me “It feels like 100% of his energy to the person that he is incarnated in, but that person is not aware of it.. maybe like 10% is aware.

Is he aware in his dreams? Does he sometimes recall your life?

He says, “Yes.”

Which does he remember more of; the pain or the later adulation?

He showed me a flag – he says, “that’s a symbol of being free.”

So in a dream he might remember being you?

He says, “No, he doesn’t see him but he comes through in a different way...” (Jennifer aside) I just saw something... I was just shown that in the dream state we get to go within our soul group to experience other versions of ourselves; we get to see through their eyes what they’re doing.

Actually, I was writing about this morning.

(Jennifer aside) Really?

I was writing about how we spend a third of our lives asleep – cats sleep 14 to 18 hours a day – nature doesn’t make mistakes, so why would nature create a creature that sleeps 2/3rds of its life? Unless somehow we have it reversed; while we are asleep, our etheric bodies are doing all kinds of things.

"Why cats sleep so much" MSN.com

“Correct” he said.

We sleep a third of our lives, we have other activities while we are asleep. Is that what you’re saying?

He says, “Yes. Nature doesn’t make mistakes; we do.”

Nelson any last words?

(Jennifer holds up two fingers.)

Peace?

He says, “Green peace.”

Thank you sir!

Green Peace

Visitors from the planet and a near death experiencer.

Hello. Ciao. Ni Hao. Gutentag. Bonjour. Selamat. Dobree Den. Goededag. Buenos Dias. G'day mate.

This month my blog has had visitors from the following locales:








United States Canada Germany China France United Kingdom Indonesia Ukraine Netherlands Australia

The operating systems include: Windows Macintosh iPhone Android iPad Linux Other Unix Unix iPod BlackBerry

I can tell you the browsers are Chrome Internet Explorer Firefox Safari Opera Mobile Safari OS;FBSV (iphone) Apple-PubSub SamsungBrowser Mobile

Who's coming by for a visit? Why are they visiting this page?  

First I must allow it's random - because they're looking for something else and stumbled here.  
Second, it could be that my page is listed online, where spambots seek out places to put spam and stumble upon it. (Likely answer for those countries above where English isn't a predominant language.)  

There's a third possibility, which is that for some reason someone on the flipside pointed someone to this material, or this blog.  

I would argue that a percentage of the people who've visited this page - it may be high, it may be low - I have no way of knowing, came here because someone else told them to.  Perhaps someone no longer on the planet.  

But ignoring the first two options ("Hello my friends in China, yes, I've been to Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing and Lhasa.  I recommend everyone visit China, it's about as varied as a rainbow.  And as paranoid as they get. I've been to Moscow, St. Pete's, everywhere else but Indonesia, which I'd love to visit some day") let's focus on the third possibility.

The reason you're reading this page is both a conscious and a not conscious one.  In other words, one possibility is that you've read my work, or heard me talk on the radio about my research, or you're wondering what's the latest from MartiniVille.  Maybe you searched for someone mentioned in the post (Michael Newton, Prince, Robin Williams, Edgar Cayce, etc) and my page popped up.

That's the most likely and most logical option.  But wait... we haven't exhausted all possibilities.  And the odd one is that your higher self sent you here, or one of your spirit guides did.

Wait, what?

Today, I attended an IANDS session where Barbara Bartolome' - director of the IANDS group in Santa Barbara - spoke of her near death experience as well as some unique points in her life where "messages" came through that saved her life.  "Messages" from someone else, somewhere else, literally shouted in her ear "Slow down! Accident ahead!" just prior to an unforseen car accident ahead. She had a number of these "voice activated" reactions in her life, and she shared some with the group.


Gary Schwartz PhD tells the story of how as a student at Harvard someone "shouted" at him to put on his seat belt, and he did for him and his wife, and their lives were saved from a near fatal accident.  He's spent his life's work understanding how voices could come from the flipside, and his work is extensive and profound.

There are a number of these cases, that I report in "Flipside."  Voices that can be literally "heard" by someone over here, and the message is one that is life saving.  But who the heck is talking to us?

Is it God? Is it a spirit guide? Or is it ourselves?

These 3 folks are no longer on the planet, but when they "show up"
I pay attention to what they're trying to tell me.

According to the research only about a third of our soul energy (or call it something else, etheric system perhaps, energetic construct if you will) comes here to our incarnation. And two thirds are doing something else.  Could be that we're "back home" with our soul group - we could even be incarnated somewhere else, and as one spirit guide said during a deep hypnosis session "do the math."

Then we have our spirit guides.  From what I've learned about the flipside is that we can't or don't interfere with a person's path.  It's something that people agree to do. (Otherwise we'd all be winning lotteries all the time.)  We sign up for lifetimes and come here and work them out to the best of our ability, and by interfering with our path, or having them interfere with our path would be screwing up the paradigm.

Tunnel of light. With loved ones on the other side.

Except for those who argue that talking about this research in the first place screws up the paradigm. That once you open a door to the flipside, whether it be unconsciously (through dreams, a near death experience, out of body experience, hallucination, or some other method of consciousness alteration that we aren't aware of why it's happening) or consciously - as in the case with meditation or hypnotherapy done in a particular fashion of "deep hypnosis" as pioneered by Michael Newton - once you open the door, it stays open. But "why" is the door being opened? 

Hey look, it's our pal down below. Let's shout at him.

When we examine these cases, we do find occasionally some form of "well, things weren't going as we had planned them, so we stepped in and gave you a message that you should go and visit a hypnotherapist to change what was happening."  And while a person is under deep hypnosis, they get this message from their spirit guides that they're on THE WRONG PATH or they've screwed up, and the purpose of having them do a session was to ALTER THEIR PATH or get them BACK ON THE RIGHT PATH.

I've filmed 35 sessions.  In nearly all of them, I've heard the same message when a person gets to meet spirit guides or understand "how they are doing on the planet."  And they're told "You're doing pretty much what you signed up for and you should be congratulated for getting this far."

Per Lachaise Cemetery Paris. Nobody's here, except humans
who want to connect to people on the flipside. So they do.

But the research also shows an occasional "course correction." And maybe that's why you're here.  You're looking for a course correction.

It's possible.  So the question is - if you're not familiar with my books or writing or youtube videos - (MartiniProds has about 20 book talks) check 'em out. I'm not trying to sell you on this idea - if people are interested in the books that's great, if they're just interested in the topic that's great too - I try to warn people NOT to purchase these books if it's going to upset their family dinners or some other part of their world - don't look into it.

But I'm not selling a philosophy, a religion, an opinion - I'm filming people under deep hypnosis, or interviewing people who've had near death experiences, or speaking with mediums who appear to have access to the flipside - and comparing their accounts.

A lot of folks over there still have stuff to tell us back here.

They could secretly be meeting somewhere without my knowledge and coming up with a consistent plan that includes convincing me they're talking to the flipside.
  
Doesn't seem likely.

But I'm here to report that these flipside reports are consistent and replicable.  What does that mean? That means that if you're going to look at them as data - what science requires is consistent reports (all the same questions asked to people across the planet) and that the results can be repeated (and they can be no matter who is doing the questioning or who is doing the answering, or the accounts of the flipside from a near death experience all seem to reach the same point when re-examined) - then we have enough data to draw conclusions from.  And if one takes the time to examine Michael Newton's accounts, and Dr. Wambach's - as I have done - there are some pretty startling and consistent reports.

So here's the point (of this blog, anyway):  nothing in your life that has happened in the past is gone or lost or forgotten. It may have been locked in a different filing cabinet, it may have been put somewhere you can't access it consciously, but it's still there, and with work you can access every moment of this lifetime.  And further, you can eventually examine any moment of ANY LIFETIME.

Cool, huh?

Anyways, just a post Thanksgiving thought for the evening to digest.

Sting and the Flipside

Sting and the Flipside....


Something caught my ear in this interview the other night.

Sting (Gordon Sumner) talks about how much it moves him that people come up to him and tell him how his music has been a theme in their lives, or his music changed their lives, or had a profound effect, whether they got married, fell in love to it, etc.

And he joked "I just got into it to find women."

Well, of course, he found Trudy.  And has had a gaggle of kids while finding her.  But I digress.

In the research behind "Flipside: A Tourist's Guide on How to Navigate the Afterlife" and "It's a Wonderful Afterlife," and now "Hacking the Afterlife" I've filmed people under deep hypnosis talking about their "life planning sessions."

I've reported my own five different between life sessions, but it was in my first session when I asked my guides the question: "So why did I choose my life?" and the answer was "Every thought, action, word or deed contains your energy.  So if you write a poem, sing a song, write a book, paint a painting - every talk show you do - some part of your energy, who you are as a soul, your heart - goes into that work.  Whether you work in a bank, or move digits around on a board, some of your energy goes into that as well - but if you're doing that work with your heart, then it can be a healing energy."

I said that I chose a lifetime in film because I felt that combining words, visuals and music I could help heal people.  And then I said "I just wish I'd chosen someone more successful at it."  Which elicited a laugh from my spirit guides and the hypnotherapist doing the session - the only time I've gotten laughs on both sides of the veil.

But Sting did the same. When he signed up for this lifetime he wanted to help heal people with music.  He's an amazing singer, gifted musician, and has explored a variety of different styles.  But at his core, it's not about the content of each lyric, it's about the intent and heart that he brings to his work - and that is attached to the music and lyrics and stylings - which directly affects people on the planet.

And they come up and say it to him; aloud.  "You changed my life.  Thank you."

There's no greater honor then to sacrifice your life for others.  There's no greater gift that you can give then to give your heart to others.  

Yes, he's had a great journey and path, and yes, he's had pain and sorrow and suffering too.  It's written in his face.  But when someone comes up to you and says "Your music helped form who I am as a person" you need to see that was what he signed up to do.  It's healing. It's helping. It's why he's on the planet.

Some years ago, I reviewed Sting's show at the Wiltern when I was writing for Variety.  After the show, I got to meet him backstage, and then for some odd reason, I was on a plane the next day to go to Italy.  And when I got off the plane in London, and went to the passport agent, Sting was standing in line behind me.  And I turned and introduced myself. "Hi, I'm Rich, I met you at your show the other night."

And he nodded, used to fans and fandom.  I added "I write for Variety."  The look on his face reminded me of when I was sitting next to Van Morrison and said the same sentence.  Van said "I don't talk to the media" and got up from the table.  "But I'm not The Media" I said.  (And I had my film "You Can't Hurry Love" pay him $30K for the use of "Wild Night" in a clip, but I forgot to mention that part.)

Anyways, he seemed chagrined that a "critic" was in the same line as him.  Moments later, I was going to the kiosk to catch the British Air flight to Rome, and he was there too. He waved me over and introduced me to his wife Trudy. "This is Rich Martini, he wrote the Variety review."

She brightened, and he said it as if it was something he'd actually read.  I thought "Wow, polite guy."  I tried to not hover or talk too much other than to say I was a fan.  On the plane, I sat in steerage, but as I left, passing through first class, I saw the sweater that Trudy had been wearing sitting on the floor.  So I grabbed it and when we got to customs I shouted out "Oh, Missus Sting! You forgot your sweater!"

It was worth the laugh.  "Mrs Sting" couldn't have been more appreciative.

But wait. There's more.  About six months later, I was talking to someone on his staff, and they said "He's coming into town. I'm sure he'd want you to have a ticket."  I wasn't reviewing the show, was reluctant to call, but I did.  When his personal assistant said "Why are you calling?" I said "Well, I saved Trudy's sweater on the plane."  And his assistant said, "Do you realize how many people call me every day to get free tickets to his shows? And you're calling because you saved her sweater?"

I mumbled, "Well, it was a long story, but it was because I write for Variety..." and the assistant interrupted me.  "You wrote the Variety review?"  I paused. Uh-oh.  Maybe they didn't like it. Gulp. "Yes."  

She said, "That was the best review I've read. (She may say that to all reviewers, what do I know?)  It covered his life, his journey, his writer's block, and talked about finding his voice when he went back to his father's hometown..."  I blushed... over the phone.  She said "What night do you want tickets for?"  So I went to see him again, sat in the seat like any other fan.  He's great.

Some years later, I ran into him at an art gallery.  I said "Hi, you don't remember me but..." He interrupted me: "Rich Martini" he said. Shook my hand. "Thanks for saving my wife's sweater."

This guy is something else this Sting.

So I know he's going to read this post. He's that kind of a guy.  Checks stuff out, remembers it, soaks it in, turns it into a song. If not him, then his assistant, or someone out there in the ether will pass it along.

He will read this blog, this memory down life's lane.  And I'm here to tell him that the story he told on Colbert is the essence of why he chose to be on the planet.  How do I know that? Because in the 35 cases I've filmed, the 7000 I've examined from Michael Newton, and the 2000 from Dr. Helen Wambach - they all say the same thing. 

We choose to come here. And we choose to do the work that we're going to do so we can help other people. 

I print transcripts of these filmed sessions in the book "Flipside" and "It's a Wonderful Afterlife" and "Hacking the Afterlife." And the film "Flipside" is actual footage of people saying these things. Consistently. Over and over and over again. Under hypnosis. And in the latest book - not under anything at all.

So Gordon chose this life - chose this name, which is not only associated with bees, but is a musical term, like a cymbal being smacked - a "sting" - On behalf of all those  people on the planet that you chose to change their lives; thanks dude.