Proof of the Afterlife from the Queen of Soul

Proof of the Afterlife from the Queen of Soul

Aretha in Billboard 1968. Wikimedia.

I began interviewing people on the flipside with the help of Jennifer Shaffer (who works with law enforcement cases nationwide) a few years ago. We hear all kinds of unusual information in these "chats with the flipside" - if someone comes forward and asks me to "pass along some information" to their loved ones, I do my best to do so.

The first people we interviewed I put in "Hacking the Afterlife"  but then once we began to "talk to" friends of mine who had passed away, a number of them brought their friends - and those friends brought their friends - our "group chats" can get pretty crowded.  

Luana Anders, our moderator (in Dementia 13)

But as noted, my friend Luana Anders (who is on the flipside) is our moderator, and the keeper of the "backstage passes" for purposes of our discussion.
(Actually it was Tom Petty (someone I never met) who dubbed her as the "person with the clipboard behind the velvet rope who has the backstage passes." Hence the title to the book "Backstage Pass to the Flipside: Talking to the Afterlife with Jennifer Shaffer.")

For example, Bill Paxton came forward to speak to us shortly after his passing (as well as two other mediums that I know) and there's a film on Gaia (the sound was poorly mixed, apologies, so they're replacing it as we speak) where I highlight excerpts from three different mediums who spoke directly to my old friend Billy, including Jennifer.  Viewers can see Jennifer on camera realizing who "Billy" is - as she didn't know who she was talking to until he showed her a visual of himself going to view the Titanic.

All three mediums gave the same answers to the same questions I asked him - and since I'd known him since both our careers began, I was able to verify the details he was giving. So thank you Billy and Happy Birthday (May 17th.)  

If anyone would like a taste of what it's like to "talk to" and "get answers" from a friend on the flipside, the film "Backstage Pass to the Flipside: Talking to Bill Paxton" will be uploaded in a few days (again apologies for the "overmixed" version). 

Now, on to other flipside matters.

After Aretha Franklin passed, she "showed up" during one of our interviews.  

Jennifer Shaffer's pic taken by Dave Chappelle

After her passing, Aretha appeared to Jennifer in our "class" which is attended by friends of mine who are on the flipside, and then friends of friends (including Ray Charles who was in my film "Limit Up" as I worked with him) and there are other members of our class who are "friends" of hers (Sydney Pollack, who directed "Amazing Grace"), and those friends of hers invited her.  However she wasn't prepared to "speak" with us when Jennifer first saw her. So I invited her to "take a seat" and observe what people were doing, and encouraged her to speak up if she wanted to at a later time.  

                                   My film where Ray Charles plays God and
                                   Danitra Vance is a guardian angel

I am aware that the process they go through to communicate is "complex" like higher math, and in order for them to do so, they require the same kind of focus and concentration that Jennifer Shaffer does when she does a session.  So by suggesting Aretha "take a seat" is to suggest that they can observe the process of "lowering their vibration" to be able to "talk" or "send images" to a medium.  It apparently is something that has to be learned or observed.  

By the end of our session, she wanted to say something. 

From "Amazing Grace" Warner Bros.

This was filmed with Jennifer Shaffer on 8-24-18 My questions are in italics, Jennifer's replies are in bold.

Rich: Does Aretha want to talk to us?

Jennifer: Yes. She says “She’s having a blast, she’s having so much fun... I feel like she’s still learning... how to learn how to heal herself... I felt her doing that. Does she have a sister? I feel like she’s up there with her... there are two up there with her... one is... down here?

(Note: All of her sisters have crossed, but she may be referring to someone who “feels like a sister” as she says later.)

Rich: I read that she didn’t leave a will. 

Jennifer: She says “She does have a will but they don’t know where it is.” "It's not with an attorney....  No, they won’t know where it is. It it feels like one of her sisters does, or someone who is like a sister to her." “She won’t know (where it is) but she will know...” She’s explaining that she won’t know... but that she should know...

What’s her name (who should know)?

Something with an S.

Okay, you want me to write about this?

She wants you to write about it... (Jennifer aside) I can’t believe I’m talking to Aretha! I just have to go with it. I’ve never heard her voice up close.  She’s putting me in a sweat... Hold on. She says “She wants to go back to the will. Feels like it’s in a house back in the 1980’s.”

(Note: It was found in a house in Detroit. I don't know who owns it or when she lived in it.)

Rich: So is it in a computer, in a file somewhere that’s named “will?”

Jennifer: I asked her: “Is it supposed to be found?” I’m getting it might never be found. She says they’re “still not looking in the right place.”

(Note: I suggested it was a file - typed up - not Jennifer. Typed onto a computer, as I was misunderstanding what she was saying was it was an old "file" - I was thinking efile).

Things could change...

I think they’re going to find something – and (then) I think it’s going to be contested... Hold on. She keeps showing me Whitney Houston. (Listens) She says she had a great love for Whitney, felt like she felt a great responsibility for Whitney – I don’t know.

Okay, I’ll look that up.

(Note: I did. Aretha was very close with Cissy Houston, Whitney’s mom, and took care of Whitney often. (Did not know that, nor was Jennifer aware of it). They were very close, and Whitney's bio says they spent a lot of time together. Not something I knew, or that Jennifer could have known. I asked her where the will might be - and she had a hard time describing it to us.  "Locked away" in a place "where no one knows it is" but in a file "with other items" etc. Reportedly Aretha didn't own a computer or ever wrote on one.)

Rich: You did say a girl with the name S has your will. Who is that?

Jennifer: Did she have a daughter?

I don’t know – I don’t think so.

It feels like (a daughter named) Shannon. Shaneen... or Shawna?

(Note: The name was "Sabrina." When the film "Amazing Grace" came out, I looked up who was involved with Aretha's estate.  It turns out Ms. Sabrina Owens, her niece was unanimously appointed to be executor. I reached out to Ms. Owens and she said "Aretha didn't own a computer so this couldn't be her."  However, she offered that it wasn't that she didn't believe in the afterlife, she wrote that since her mother (Aretha's sister) had passed, she felt she was around her often.)

Filmed in April, 2019

Hello Jennifer. Class. 

I’ve got goose bumps.

I was just talking about how I reached out to Aretha’s niece Ms. Owens, how she wrote me back. Aretha, can I ask you some follow up questions? You told us the will was written in 1982. What did you mean by that? Was it typed up in 1982?

It was handwritten in 1979 feels like.

Did someone else write it, like a secretary?

She wrote it.

(Note: Some of the details were inaccurate - like it being written in 1982 or 1979. According to the NBC report below, it was written in 2010. However that doesn't mean she didn't write it earlier as well.)  Jennifer is just responding to what she's seeing or being given. I try to include both the inaccurate and accurate details - everything is subject to interpretation. The 1982 may refer to another document.  When something is inaccurate, that allows people to "toss everything out" - which may be the best for them, but doesn't eliminate the many details that are accurate.)

I wrote to your daughter, (Aretha's sister's daughter).

“Thank you.”

Are you aware of what I wrote to her?

“Yes.”

So is it accurate? What did we get wrong?

The typewriting thing...

(Note: I wrote about it being "typed up" which is inaccurate.  So it's like she was corrected that part of it. It was handwritten.)

The will?

It was written in 1979 – it felt like her dad was present...

Maybe her secretary or his secretary typed it up?

I feel like it was handwritten.

By who?

Aretha.

(Note: Her dad being present could have been him "from the flipside" as well.)

Who... has this document? Is this someone in your family...?

“Someone in her family,” she says.

Would your daughter Sabrina know who this is?

“Yes.... They don’t know that they have it but they do.”

So it’s in a two story house, upstairs?

Feels like it’s in an office.

Is it a female or male who owns this house?

Female.

Is it in a filing box or a cabinet?

In a little box.

Are there other things in the box?

Yes, newspaper clippings. I saw like old newspaper clippings.

Okay, that’s pretty specific. Anything you want me to tell your daughter, Sabrina?

She blew (her) a big kiss. Now she’s showing me a ring.

Is it Aretha’s ring or her mom's ring?

It’s Sabrina’s ring – she says it’s a ring that Sabrina has that she should clean and wear.

Is this a ring Aretha gave to her Sabrina's mom? Or that you used to wear?

She gave it to Sabrina... gave the ring to Sabrina.  But it was originally Aretha’s. 

(Note: Ms. Owens says she has a number of rings from her aunt Aretha.  Her email mentions that she knows her mother is watching over her, and that she often reaches out to her for guidance (and helps her finding things "as a result of asking"). Ms. Owens says she knows our "loved ones stick around to guide and protect us," but did not believe the information provided by the medium was accurate." She says she was not surprised to find the wills where they were, or that the wills were handwritten - as Aretha was "old school." I mention this to point out that I'm not claiming that we helped her find the will - we did not - but we did pass along accurate information to her.)

Jennifer Shaffer in action

So - let's put it this way.  This post is a litmus test for people about the flipside.  

I contend that the research demonstrates that "life goes on, that are loved ones are like butterflies while we focus on the chyrsalis" and many of us are not open to the idea that life goes on, or that we can communicate with our loved ones (who are the butterflies in this analogy while we remain the caterpillars).  

In some cases, they're "open" to the idea that their loved ones guide them, but not open to the idea that the conversation can be as direct as we are doing.  And I respect that as well, because it's not up to me to change anyone's idea or opinion about anything.

However, there are some who will see these "edited transcripts" as proof positive that there is an afterlife.  After all, I didn't know she had a niece, didn't know her niece's name began with the letter S or sounded like Shawna; I didn't know that she had a handwritten will, or that she gave anyone a ring ever.  

Yet these were all accurate things that happened.

I do know that I've verified many of the sessions that Jennifer and I have done with those on the flipside, and have written about them (Harry Dean Stanton, Bill Paxton, etc) and this is just one more.  

Partners in chatting to the flipside

We did not find Aretha's handwritten will as directed by Aretha.  But we did learn things that only Aretha knew, that only Aretha could observe, or pass along to us.  It's not my job to convince anyone that there is an afterlife, nor is it Jennifer's.  The reason we do this work is to "open up people's minds to the possibility that there is an afterlife."

Here's the article from NBC's website:

"Aretha Franklin's handwritten wills, if real, shed light on a titanic — and complicated — life..."



Aretha Franklin at Radio City Music Hall in July 1989. Mario Suriani / AP file

May 21, 2019 

By Alex Johnson

"Representatives of Aretha Franklin's estate and her family have asked a judge to tell them what to do with three handwritten wills found hidden in her home, one of which includes a big surprise.

The wills were discovered May 3 in Franklin's Detroit-area home, two in a locked closet for which the key was hard to find and one in a spiral notebook stuffed under cushions on a sofa, according to documents filed Monday in probate court in Oakland County, Michigan.

When Franklin died in August, lawyers reported that she had no will.

3 handwritten wills found in Aretha Franklin's home
The 16 scrawled pages haven't yet been authenticated as being in Franklin's handwriting, attorneys for Franklin's four sons and the personal representative in charge of the estate wrote. And even if they are real, it's not clear that they're valid, according to the court documents, which ask the judge to sort through it all and determine where to go next..."


A page from one of three handwritten wills believed to have been left by Aretha Franklin, who died last year.Oakland County, Michigan, Probate Court


Only respect to Aretha and her family and loved ones.  I'm very glad they found a written example of what she wanted to pass along.  And glad to be able to repeat it here.

Harry Dean Stanton and pal.

Finally, last Thursday, I was writing a reply on Quora about "proof of the afterlife."  I pointed out that Harry Dean Stanton had come to a session with me and Jennifer after he passed but before his memorial service.  Harry Dean reported things about who was in the room when he died (a detail I didn't know but later verified) what he said to those people in the room (a detail I didn't know but later verified) and he had specific private messages (about health) to friends of his that were going to be at his memorial service.  I passed those messages along privately and each one of them was startled, as they were absolutely accurate.

But when I sat down to interview Jennifer last Thursday, she said "Harry Dean Stanton is here."  I asked "Why?" She said "it's about something you wrote.  How it reverberates."  I said "That's funny, I was quoting Harry Dean this morning to someone on Quora.  I was telling the story of we had asked Harry what he wanted me to say at his memorial service; "Tell people to believe in the afterlife."

Knowing what a skeptic he was in life, how he was famous for being an atheist who said "nothing happens when we die" ad nauseum, I laughed and said "Harry. None of your atheists friends are going to believe me if I say that at your memorial service."

He said "Then tell them to BELIEVE IN THE POSSIBILITY OF AN AFTERLIFE and then they won't waste any more of their life arguing about it like I did."

Jennifer said "He wants to thank you for posting that."  Okay. You're welcome Harry.

Coast to Coast on Sunday Dec 2nd

My dulcet tones will be back on the radio this Sunday night Dec 2nd, promoting our book "Backstage Pass to the Flipside: Talking to the Afterlife with Jennifer Shaffer."

The two books cover our conversations with people on the flipside over the past two years. At some point, we had a group of people that were "coming in" to see us, and Luana Anders, my pal on the flipside who inspired the books after her passing 20 years ago, is the moderator for our "group."

Luana Anders in a photo I took of her in NYC.
Aptly prescient of how we see her now!

It's easier to call it a "class" because on one level, Luana is helping people on the flipside to converse with us.  Apparently many people have a hard time doing it for a variety of reasons - could be that their loved ones don't believe they still exist, could be that they can appear in their dreams, but when they wake up they dismiss them.   From what Jennifer and I have learned is that people on the flipside "know that they still exist."  They want to connect and be part of the lives of their loved ones.  

And Luana helps them to do so, in her "classroom."  As Jennifer once put it; "She me over there.  She has the ability to help them alter their frequency (slowing it down) so that they can communicate with us.  

Jennifer appears in "Hacking the Afterlife" too
links to the right of this post.

In my case, I'm someone who's been filming people under deep hypnosis for ten years and have heard a consistent story about the architecture of the afterlife.  Not that it isn't vast, complex and beyond comprehension - that's accurate - but I've heard enough stories from people who've visited there (through an out of body experience, a near death event, while under deep hypnosis or some other consciousness altering event) that I'm familiar with the process enough to ask them questions.

Happy Birthday Garry Shandling.

I start with the most simple of question that no one back on the planet could answer.  "Who was there to greet you when you crossed over?"  And then later I can either look up or in the case of friends, ask their family who they think would be there to greet them.  In some cases we hear unusual answers - like in Paul G Allen's case, he said one of the football players who had taken his life due to CTE was there to greet him... not one of his own players, but Junior Seau (or as best as I could decipher who it was - a polynesian player who had killed himself the same way Dave Duerson had.)

Then I ask questions like "What do you miss if anything?" "What do you regret if anything?" If I know intimate details of their life, I'll ask questions about them - I've found that they can't prevaricate from the flipside. They can refuse to answer a question, but they can't make up something inaccurate, or something that they prefer I not know. 

always a little giddy after talking to George Noory.

Often they tell me things that I choose not to repeat because they kept these things to themselves during their lifetime, and it's not up to me to alter that perception.  But it is important that what they do say I repeat verbatim and then look it up to see how accurate (or inaccurate) it is.  The truth sets everyone free.

Gaia has just picked up my film "Talking to Paxton on the Flipside" where I filmed a number of conversations with mediums, mostly Jennifer Shaffer, where we talked to my old friend, the actor Bill Paxton.  Bill had a number of things to say, messages for his family, as well as some comic ribbing that he used to do when he was on the planet. So that will be available on Gaia.com in a few weeks.

Bill Paxton

I don't know what we're going to talk about on Sunday night, I try to keep myself open to whatever needs to be said, and am always rewarded with an interesting couple of hours with George Noory.  If you're a night owl, the show interview will begin on Sunday night at midnight Pacific Coast time.

See you on the radio!

Link to Book One at Amazon:

Link to book two at Amazon:

In memoriam; an interview with Bill Paxton (on the flipside)

Berbet Bruno AP Cannes

For this one year anniversary of Bill Paxton’s passing, I’m putting up this excerpt of the upcoming book written with Jennifer Shaffer where we “interview” people no longer on the planet.

Since meeting Jennifer, we’ve been doing this kind of unusual research into the flipside; my questions are not related to getting people to “prove who they are” but skipping ahead to asking questions like “Who greeted you when you passed?  Is there anything you’d like me to pass on to your family and friends? Is there a specific piece of new information I can share that no one but your loved ones would know?”

Jennifer Shaffer

Jennifer Shaffer is a medium/intuitive who works with law enforcement agencies nationwide to help find missing persons. We did some extensive interview for “Hacking the Afterlife” but since my old friend Bill Paxton passed away last year, he’s been “showing up” at many of our conversations which are “moderated” by my friend Luana Anders (who passed in 1996.) (For details on how that came about, please check out “Flipside” “It’s a WonderfulAfterlife” or “Hacking the Afterlife.”)

Luana Anders in a Rockefeller Plaza mirror

For those not familiar with my work, I’m a film director who has written and/or directed 8 theatrical features.  I made a documentary (“Flipside” distributed by Gaia) about my journey into this research focusing on the work of Michael Newton.  I followed that up with comparing near death experiences with between life hypnosis accounts of the afterlife, and after that I began interviewing mediums about their process. (Those accounts will be in another book I’m working on as well.) I’ve been filming each of my conversations with Jennifer and people on the Flipside for two years now.

Bill wrote, directed, acted in films.

After Bill started showing up, I’ve reached out to his family and friends.  He had specific messages for me to pass along to them, and as I did with a previous couple of posts about my (and Bill’s) old friend Harry Dean Stanton (both starred in “Big Love”) Harry proves beyond a reasonable doubt that he was speaking to us from the flipside.  (The posts are here and are filled with verifiable details that neither Jennifer nor I could have known, but later found out to be accurate.)

Jennifer Shaffer
and yours truly

In these two following interviews with Bill, I neglected to tell either medium Jennifer Shaffer or Kimberly Babcock who he was. Not because I have any doubts about this process, but because I didn’t want his  fame to get in the way of our conversing.  (These transcripts have been edited for time and clarity.)

Rich: (Speaking to Luana Anders through Jennifer). We have a mutual friend who passed away recently, Luana, his name is Bill.

Jennifer: They just danced.

Who just danced?

Bill and Luana did a little tango thing. 

(Note: Bill met Luana before his career took off, he was going to star in my film “You Can’t Hurry Love” and helped me rewrite the script.  Luana was always a big fan of his work, so it’s not unusual for me to hear they met up on the Flipside.)

Does Bill want to talk to us?

He just showed me him filing his nails... (Like “yeah, what is it?” Bill and my relationship was always in the poking fun at each other in this realm.)

So he’s here?

He says he’s shampooing his hair... (getting ready.)

Tell us what it’s like over there

“It’s fun,” he says.  He says “I can fly”... and that he likes scaring people.

Who was the first person to greet you when you crossed over?

His dad.

(Note: Bill’s father did precede him in death, and as we’ll hear from Kim Babcock, he says the same thing to her.)

Was that a happy reunion?

He says it was shocking... because that meant that he had died.  He said “Yes at first, it was shocking, but then that subsided." At first he was startled, but it wasn’t scary,” he says. “It was like a recognition of both worlds;" he showed me them together. (Both sides).

Was this an “exit point” for you? Something that you planned to have happen? Was this the right or wrong time for your leaving the stage?

He’s saying it was the wrong time for his physical body, it was the right time for his soul.

(Note: “Exit points” are something that we’ve learned from these interviews. People say that we generally stay here to accomplish what we’ve set out to do, but “exit ramps” or “exit points” sometimes appear, and we wind up leaving earlier than we thought we would.)

You once talked about going to visit the Titanic. What was that like?

(Jennifer stops, makes a face, eyes wide.)  Is this the Billy that was in the movie Titanic? He showed me a picture of that guy who just passed. I’m confused.

Well, let’s ask him. Is that picture that Jennifer is seeing of a person, is that a picture of you? If it isn’t, give her a thumbs down.

He gave me a thumbs up. This is him? I saw him here, in the office when we met the other day...  I love Billy, I had no idea...

He and I met in London when he was making the film Aliens, my old friend Lori was pals with his then girlfriend, later wife Louise. We all went out for a pint, and when he laughed uproariously, I recognized the laugh from “Weird Science.” We had John Hughes in common, John went to my high school, I met him on set. Later I asked Bill to star in my first film You Can’t Hurry Love; it didn’t happen, but I used a song from his band Martini Ranch (no relation) to open the film. I hadn’t seen him in years before he passed.  Bill, take Jennifer down with you in that capsule when you went to see the Titanic.

(Staring into the distance, Jennifer shivers.) I got scared because of the water rushing (past) but then he grabbed my hand and he calmed my heart down. He’s taking me to a corner, he’s showing me the boat. If you had a blueprint of the boat we’re going to the farthest right corner of the Titanic... okay... (To Bill) Go slower. “You don’t have to hold your breath,” he just told me.

(Note: Bill had worked with Jim Cameron and when Jim took him to see the ship, he initially thought he would see it from the ship’s deck. But Jim put him in his bathysphere and together they made a number of trips to see the ship. Oddly enough, in April 2017, a few weeks after this interview, a “locket” from the Titanic was found on the ocean floor in a bag.)

Hole on the right side of the Titanic

Describe what you’re seeing and feeling.

I’m feeling a sense of peace. I’d be really scared to ever go into something like that. He’s taking me down to the right of the bow... that’s below on the bottom, in the front, and there’s a hole in the front – he showed me an explosion... an explosion that caused that hole.  

(Note: Jim Cameron has taken 33 trips to visit the ship.  National Geographic did an extensive survey of the wreck, and it does include a hole where she’s describing it. Knowing Jennifer as well as I do I’m confident she’s not referring to something that she’s seen, but something that she is “seeing.” http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2118217/New-Titanic-images-doomed-ship-youve-seen-before.html)

They hit the iceberg on the right side.

I didn’t know that.

Okay, thanks Billy. Let’s move on to some other questions.

It’s funny I feel like I’m decompressing now.

Have you seen John Hughes since you got back?

(laughs) He’s really busy.

Anything you want to say to Jim Cameron?

“Thank you.”  He said it again, “Thank you.”

Anything more specific?

He said “He knows where it is.”

Where what is?

Something they were looking for? Jewelry?

I don’t know. I thought that was made up. Where is it Billy? Is he showing you a jewel?

He’s saying to be quiet.  He showed me you interrupting him... he says “I’m trying to talk.”

Sorry.

He’s showing me a future project with Jim... In June (2017). Might be a movie, something they talked about.

Is that something you were going to be involved with?

He’s showing me looking at papers, but I don’t know.

Well, I can’t call up Jim and ask him, but I think people are tuning into this form of speaking to the flipside more and more. So Billy, you know how to whisper in his ear.

“I know how to scare him,” he said.

Okay. That’s allowed. Scare him then. Let’s talk about more interesting stuff. You said your experience over there was that you can fly. Show her how you fly from one place to the next. How does that work?

He’s showing me (visually) before I can really process it. He’s going to all these corners really fast, then he showed me how many things are going on in the interim. Then he slowed it down super slow and showed me how things move here - but he’s going faster than that.

You mean like a super fast game of tag? And he slowed it down so you only see four or five touches?

Yes.

Describe what do we look like to you; how do you communicate to us?

He showed me the aerial view from above us, he showed me your head. He said “What works best is the eyes, as they’re the windows to the soul."

If you were going to pick some aspects of life on the planet that you might miss, or wish you could live again?

He showed me a pistol, chewing tobacco, horses...

He misses chewing tobacco?

No, he’s showing me like another lifetime.

Where was that?

In Texas. Near Austin. Feels like after the civil war... after 1879.

(Note: Bill goes on to describe in detail this former lifetime, details of which I was able to verify through research.  It involved a small group of Mormon settlers who lived near Austin, and he was showing her a lifetime where he was the leader of that group.)

So Bill any of your old girlfriends I need to reach out to tell them you said hello?

“I had no old girlfriends. I only had eyes for my wife.”

That was just a test buddy.

He’s laughing.

What can we ask you that an average person might ask? What’s your day like? Do you sleep?

There’s no sleeping there.

(Note: For a detailed description of "what it's like" I refer you to "My Life After Life" by Galen Stoller. Galen wrote a book from that perspective, and I've seen letters from a woman who claimed that her husband reached out to her through a medium to tell her to get his book, as he "describes what it's like over here."  Galen wrote the foreword to "It's a Wonderful Afterlife" volume two from the flipside.) 

Do you have a place that you like to hang out?

He’s showing me on a white beach.

For relaxation?

Yeah. “To think.”

What do you think about?

How he wants his next life to be.

Tell us, what will it be? Any idea?

He says he wants the world to be a better place.

How can you help effect that?

He showed me someone like Elon Musk, someone who knows how to get things done or made, that can... (help the planet).  

So how do you create your white beach? How do you create objects over there?

He said it’s by using mathematics and science. He says he puts an equation together that gets him the right (visual or) taste of whatever you want to drink or experience. Whatever you’re looking for.

So when you want to experience a white beach it’s a mathematical equation?

It is, but you don’t have to take it to that extent. It just happens.

(Note: In Galen Stoller's book, he says that "creating a structure" requires focus and concentration, understanding how frequencies work, and being able to manipulate them.  Hence the math.)

Let me ask you about other realms.  I know that Jim Cameron said he had a vision of Pandora, the planet or Na'vi people that are in Avatar. What was that about?

He’s laughing. Says, “They were Martians.”

Do they exist in some other realm? I mean was his dream in high school related to seeing something that actually exists somewhere else, or was it created by his mind? Or do you know?

He said “Be patient.” He’s trying to show me. He showed me Africa. Did Jim Cameron’s father go to Africa? There’s something with an African influence for Jim Cameron – he showed me a mask, something with a mask, obviously we don’t see that in the movie, but it was the same recurring dream over and over again, it’s about helping the planet. He wanted to help the planet.

(Note: The Na'vi are reportedly loosely based on the Ashante tribe of the Ashante Region in central Ghana. "Their singing sounds much like the Na'vi singers from the soundtrack from James Cameron's "Avatar")

I know Jim had a dream about the Terminator while sitting in a pensione in Italy; he dreamed about the skeletal Terminator robot.

He gets those dreams about the future... I just got shown our friend Scott De Tamble (lightbetweenlives.com) Sometimes under hypnosis people can access the future.

But I’m asking does the planet from Avatar exist somewhere?

Yes.

In our universe or in another realm?

Bill is so funny. If I’m interpreting this correctly, he’s saying it does exist somewhere else, and when you’re able to link in, you can get the information from there to manifest itself here.  But more importantly, nature, the trees that exist on our planet have existed longer than any humans.  And what happens in the film, is happening here on our planet. For example, when we take down trees in the Amazon or in Africa we are cutting off the life support in other dimensions.

Okay.  Billy, is there anything you want me to pass along to your family and friends?

Reach out to them, he says.

I know his children are on social media, but I don’t want to be like a creepy uncle reaching out to them. I mean, who wants to hear from some dude who claims he’s talking to your loved one?

“Get over it,” he says.

Give me something to say that your friends and family would know comes from you.

When one of them has a dream about him, that’s him trying to get through. There are changes, or decisions being made, and he wants them to know whenever they ask him questions, he’s there trying to help out.

So your message is; “Listen?”

Bingo.

Should I tell them the Michael Newton method (that Jennifer and I heard in another interview with the Flipside) “Say the name of your loved one, either aloud or in your mind, ask them questions you don’t know the answer to, when you hear the answer before you can form the question you’ll know you’ve made a connection?”

Yes, but without mentioning Michael Newton. (laughs) Whatever it takes; it’s important. He says, "Thanks."  He showed me that Jim Cameron is thinking about doing a project about the afterlife. So if you talk to him, ask him about it.

I will. Thanks Billy.

Medium/Minister Kimberly Babcock

(Note: Some days later, I met with the medium KimberlyBabcock, who is both a medium and a minister from Ohio.  I filmed a long discussion that was freewheeling, and towards the end, I had the thought to mention Bill, who had passed only weeks prior. Conducted in a busy Weho restaurant, it's been edited for time and clarity.)

Richard: Can you bring my friend Bill forward?

Kimberly: “Bill has been waiting for you.”

Hi Bill. What do you want to say to your family or friends?

Was he not able to say goodbye before he passed?

That’s correct.

He’s showing me it must have been quick or there was no closure when he passed.

(Note: Bill was in the hospital for chest pains, reportedly, and a more complex operation was done which resulted in his passing.)

Well, this is a way of helping give some kind of closure; what would you like to say?

That’s it; that I have closure and that “I’m at peace.” He says that they still have that wound, because there was no closure before he passed because he didn’t get to say goodbye.

What does he look like to you?

I don’t see him at all. I sense him. Did he have issues with his chest? I’m feeling like his passing was very quick. He said “I’m sorry.”

To who?

To them (his family).

Okay. Here’s the thing, now this door is open we can have conversations and help them to access you more directly.

Was he on medication or something with medicine?

He was getting an operation, they were working on his heart.

I think it’s more than that; medicine was involved with his health and his passing. He’s showing me a pill bottle, as if they were giving him medicine. 

Okay. So now you’re back home – are you there with your soul group? Who greeted you when you crossed over?

His dad. I see the word “dad” written in the air.

(Note: Same answer to Jennifer’s question.)

Last time we were together was at screening of my film “Cannes Man.” I didn’t talk to you, but I heard your distinct laugh in the audience. How’d you like that film?

When you said "I didn’t talk to you" – he said, “I did talk to you.”

Yes, that's correct, when I called you up to invite you.

When you said “How’d you like the film?” He feels so much like, you and he wanted to do something similar or that you both did similar work – it seems like he saw himself in it.

(Note: Bill and I tried to work together on “You Can’t Hurry Love.”  When he made “A Simple Plan” he called to tell me “I finally got to work with Bridget Fonda” (who appeared in the film.) "Cannes Man" was about a hapless delivery boy who comes to the film festival, and just using hype turns into the “flavor of the moment.” Bill and I spent a few fun evenings in Cannes together over the years so that makes sense he could have starred in it.)

He should have been in "Cannes Man."

He feels like it (the story) represents him...

(Note: Bill stopped by to see his agent Brian Swardstrom's Oscar nominated film "Just Call Me By My Name" on his way to Cannes.  That film is dedicated to Bill.)

Billy I just wanted to open this door, I thought this would be a fun chance to say hi.

He says... It’s funny it feels like he’s such a smart aleck! He says, “You always have a chance to say hi, you don’t need her.” He’s very funny.

I’m just seeing if I can help you in some way to connect with your loved ones, and don’t hesitate to stop by.  Let me ask, so were you impressed when we spoke to Jesus a few moments ago?

(Note: Just prior to my asking questions, I asked Kimberly about her visions where she has seen Jesus during some of her mediumship sessions, and we spoke about her journey to this work.  I segued from “talking to Jesus” to asking him to bring forward “my pal Bill.”)

He’s razzing you. He says... um, he’s like “Jesus and I, we go way back, what are you talking about?” He’s like “Where are you?” He’s kind of beating you up.

(Note: She could not possibly know that’s our relationship.  Glad to hear he’s still enjoying the mutual razzing.)

So Billy, when you’re looking at us in this restaurant in West Hollywood, what do you see?

He looks at a watch, he’s like looking at his watch...  did he smoke?

I don’t remember. He may have.

It’s like he’s got a cigar, something bigger than a cigarette.

Tell him he’s very missed.

He feels like the kind of guy (well loved); it’s like “He knows no stranger,” that kind of person.

That’s accurate. So what’s the biggest thing you learned passing over?

That there is no time, there is no death. He didn’t realize how much fear he had until he died, until he came here. “There is no fear; there is no time.”

Did you have your past life review already?

He says “A long time ago.”

(Note: A “past life review” is something that’s common among people who have near death experiences, but it’s also in the reports from people under deep hypnosis. I’ve filmed 45 sessions, done 5 myself and examined thousands from Dr. Helen Wambach and Michael Newton.  People talk about “seeing their council” and then having a review of all the good or bad things they’ve done in their lifetime.)

Any of the highlights... (laughs) or low lights you want to share? Anything you were surprised to see?

(aside) Wow, that’s an interesting perspective. He says that he realizes... he says... I’ll just say it verbatim as if I’m him; “I’ll say this. I realize the fear that I carried within myself planted fear in others and for that I shed remorse. I acknowledge my remorse and I know I have to heal in that way.” He’s showing (me) the collateral damage he did, he’s giving an example; here’s an example; “If we walk around (during our lifetime) saying “I’m so worried,” like “I’m so worried about my heart (or other fears) because then we believe in our fears.” And it created this collateral damage. He didn’t realize how much he did that. Like he “Just worried about stuff that was minute,” he says.

So how’d you like your memorial service?

He stood up and did a salute.

Some of your friends have written some wonderful tributes on Facebook. Are you aware of them?

No, it feels no connection. He says to tell you that he can connect emotionally (directly) to his friends, like when it goes to (appearing on) social media it has an emotional imprint; but it’s almost invisible to them (on the flipside).”

Is there any one thing you want me to tell you friends and fans?

He’s funny. I really like his personality; he’s one of those people who’s going to give you a little bit... just enough to make you want more. When you said, “Is there anything you want me to tell your friends and family?” He literally said “I can fly.” (laughs) He’s playing the song “I can fly, I can fly”... (The Peter Pan version). He’s laughing because it’s like, “I know they want more... but this is what I’ll give them: I can fly.”

(Note: This is the same thing he said to Jennifer Shaffer.)

Can you tell Kim your last name?

Kimberly laughs. (to Bill: “Why?” She then gestures with a “zipped lip.”) That’s what he did. I said “Are you sure?” He’s checking his pockets (as if looking for a wallet.)  He said “Nope.” He zipped his lip and then pointed to you.

 

I have other friends named Billy who are on the other side, just to be sure, tell her which one of my Billy’s is this? (trying to trick him into revealing it to her)

He said, “Whichever one had the heart issues.” Now he’s pulled his energy back.

(Note: He's the only one who had heart issues.)

We ended the interview, and then moments later Kim’s father called from Ohio to see how she was doing on her trip out West. She asked him what he was doing and she later told me;  “My father told me he just had this desire to check in on me. He was watching this old film called “Twister.” 

At that point I told her who Bill Paxton was, and how he was the star of that film.  She wasn't "that familiar" with his work, she said she was surprised, but not as much as I was at the clever way he revealed his identity. 

I mean “What are the odds that I would be chatting with him and her dad would call to say he was watching his film?”  

All I can say is “Well played Bill.  Well played.”

Excerpts from the upcoming book with Richard Martini and Jennifer Shaffer interviewing people on the Flipside.