Hacking the Afterlife podcast with Elvis


In honor of the film out in theaters, here's the last time that Elvis showed up in our podcast "Hacking the Afterlife"

He showed up more in "Tuning Into the Afterlife"
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It's our 40th episode!  How about that?  Well, this is no different than the others - mind bending and just about as out there as we can get.

Last night I happened to catch Tom Hanks talking about his movie he's doing with Baz Luhrmann in Australia, where he plays Colonel Tom Parker. Went to sleep without a thought about it, and had the impression that Luana told me we'd have a "surprise guest" in today's episode.

To be clear, we've seen Elvis before in our class - and we did invite him into the chair and interviewed him extensively.  Who was there to greet him when he crossed over (his mom) and other important things in his life.  It's in "Backstage Pass to the Flipside" - and we also interview Colonel Parker (not a Colonel, and according to Tom's interview a rather shady character) - but aside from the public perception of who his manager was, both the interview in the book and this interview paint a different portrait.

It's not opinion being expressed here. This is live, off the cuff, improvised, whatever happens happens kind of reporting. I had no idea, zero idea what we'd find in today's episode and even forgot what last week's was until she mentions it.

Elvis said he was "introduced to our class by John Lennon" - which is repeated in the book.  It's not like "all the celebrities hang out together" - it's a frequency issue, and those artists or musicians hang out with other folks who are using the same frequency.  If one looks at the Backstage Pass books they'll find quite a few musicians there.

I directed Ray Charles in the film "Limit Up" which Luana and I cowrote, so Ray has introduced us to quite a few of his friends because he knew ... well... everyone.  And through one we can know the other.

I know this interview might ruffle some feathers - but again, it's live, none of it planned, and Jennifer works with law enforcement agencies nationwide on missing person cases. She even helped NYPD commissioner Bill Bratton with a case (solved, ask him about it sometime.)

We are demonstrating that anyone can do this - don't need a medium, but it helps.  However, as noted, anyone can speak to their loved ones on the flipside, and apparently anyone they'd like to chat with.  Stick around to the end, where Elvis sums up his relationship with Tom Parker. Insightful.




 This is one of those podcasts where after it's done, I think "that's it. We've finally shown beyond a shadow of doubt that people can talk to the flipside."  Then I format the show, listen to it - listen to myself make mistakes (often) and listen to Jennifer channel people no longer on the planet.

Let's start with the stuff that will stop people in their tracks. Bob was not 67 years old.  I am 67 years old. Bill Paxton (who shows up later on,) is 67 years old, and both he and Bob Saget share a birthday of May 17th.  I asked Bob to tell her what age he passed and she said "67."  She reported the number accurately that she heard - for those who don't want to believe that she can communicate with people off the planet, Bob is 66. (After this recent birthday.)

So if you want to jump off the flipside boat, reject the Hacking the Afterlife premise, now is your chance.  Again - she reports "what she's getting."  I don't know why he reported a year off - maybe like Luana he always "shaved a year off the bio."

I know that Luana did because I discovered it one day when she got a ticket and I had to hand the driver's license to the cop.  There is was in print. A year shy of the actual date.  Officially (but not officially.)  Somehow she got them to accept the date she preferred.

But I digress.

The podcast started off with a general discussion of Pride month - this was filmed before the Supreme Court announced they were tossing out 50 years of women's rights - so the reference to "abortion" is not because of the decision. I filmed this on Thursday, and for the record, the decision came out on Friday.

But the folks on the flipside wanted to reference it.  Human rights. Love your neighbor as yourself - it's really the most important thing said in the bible, or in any book of scripture. If you don't love your neighbor - UNCONDITIONALLY then you're missing the point of being on the planet.

There's an angry diatribe in here, coming from yours truly about the hypocrisy of a church I grew up in.  But that aside - people are going to watch this for mainly one reason.

Bob Saget has messages for his friends and family.

Honestly, for whatever reason, I was aware of Bob through his pals - people who talked about him, his generosity. Jeff Ross talking about him, John Stamos and John Mayer telling stories about how generous he was with spirit and love - and that inspired me to watch the special on Netflix.

But I had no desire to interview him. 

As stated in the podcast, he "showed up" as a voice in my head, saying his name, and I said to him what I've said to others before (in the books "Backstage Pass to the Flipside.") "I don't talk to people on the other side, but Luana Anders does.  So find Luana and she can facilitate a conversation." I was going out of town the next day, so I promptly forgot about it - then Jennifer was unavailable last week, so I didn't bring it up. And then a few days ago - he showed up again.  As you can see and hear in the podcast.

I won't belabor the point here. Your loved ones exist.  You can communicate with them using hypnotherapy, mediumship or meditation. All three work. Clearly. Bob can testify to that. And Jennifer really does pro bono work with law enforcement agencies nationwide, and she really does help people. 

To those who knew and loved him - I apologize in advance for something that may seem treading on toes. I don't know what else to say then, it's not that folks on the flipside want to speak to Jennifer or me - they want to speak to YOU and they're showing you how simple it is.  

Say their name. Ask them questions. When you get a response before you can ask the question you'll know you've made a connection.  He has direct messages for his wife, for his children and for Jim Carrey, someone I met over drinks at the "Little Door" and we talked about Andy Kaufman, because his sister lived across from my parents in Northbrook.

Not hard. Simple. They are NOT GONE. They are just NOT HERE. Give them the opportunity to connect, to let you know life does go on, and they're happy to talk if it's something desired. Hope this helps.


Meditation on Father's Day

 An unusual event on Father’s Day. My daughter and I stopped by the Lake Shrine near Malibu. This was the property given to Yogananda, the great meditation scientist, and it’s a lake with swans and roses. Above the lake is a temple where they hold weekly meditation services.



Hacking the Afterlife with Mick and the Psychic in Oz

Mick and Xzavia

Did this fun podcast a few weeks ago with Mick and the Psychic.  I'm rebroadcasting it with their permission on our podcast "Hacking the Afterlife."  What makes it dovetail with the work Jennifer and I are doing is that at some point, two of the people that Jennifer and I interview showed up on this podcast.

Here's the link:

One is Luana Anders, who fans of our podcast know to be my pal on the flipside who moderates our forum. Imagine my chagrin, when the host of their podcast said "Your friend Luana is here."

She brought with her none other than Marlon Brando.  What I didn't mention on the podcast, but am now, is that I have some of "Marlon Brando's ashes" - because close friends who went to the service were given packets of him, and one of his close friends gave me a packet. (How could I turn it down?)

Anyways, a packet of ashes is a packet of ashes - not claiming it's a cellphone or a calling card in any fashion, but I might have mentioned that on this podcast and did not.

Plus because they gave me "all the time in the world" I decided to do an example of "guided meditation" with each of them. With Mick, who is a licensed practicing hypnotherapist, I took him on a short visit with his guide to visit his council.  It's the same method I employed in the podcast with Simon Bown (and others, like Heather Wade) where I demonstrate how simple it is to ask questions and get answers the person doesn't realize they have access to.

In Xzavia's case, because she's a medium, I assumed she's had a few trips to visit her guide and council, but not so many trips to view her "life planning process."  By doing so, we have a lively discussion about a topic she wasn't aware of before the podcast.  Her description of a 360 view of her life and the possibilities isn't something I've heard before - but the idea that we can access this kind of an event is something that appears in the film "Hacking the Afterlife" - hackingtheafterlifefilm.com - where a therapist from Ventura CA recounts the incredible memory of his own life planning session on camera. 

This is about the continuing research.  It's similar to what Jennifer and I do, and since she's going to be celebrating her daughter's graduation next week, I'll use this podcast to replace that one she'll miss.  I'm posting it now so I don't forget, and on Thursday will switch it over to the main podcast.


Hacking the Afterlife with Luana Chuck George Elvis and Jennifer Shaffer

Jennifer Shaffer is back from her two week trip.  Today's podcast was unusual for a number of reasons - I mentioned that Luana and Marlon showed up during a podcast I did with "Mick and the Psychic" - which I will post next week, to give them time to post it on all their podcast outlets.

As always, Jennifer and I have not discussed the contents of the podcast, and clearly she was not aware of my conversation with Luana and Marlon - sometimes she is aware of conversations I've had with Luana and others, but in this instance, they were more interested in bringing up the topic of the recent catastrophe in Texas, where 19 children and two teachers were killed.

I had not planned to discuss it, nor had Jennifer, but my friend Charles Grodin brings it up in the podcast, and I did my best to ask him questions about the process - what happens in cases like that. How does it work?  Especially for the little ones who may be confused by the process.

The portrait he painted for Jennifer was unusual - and at the same time in line with the research.  Our loved ones on the flipside tailor the experience so that we can have a soft landing when returning home.

George Michael and Beethoven stopped by for a chat - as noted, both were interviewed in "Backstage Pass to the Flipside" but they wanted to speak about frequency, and how everything is attached to it - including memories.  The idea of creating adventures and memories is part of why we choose to be on the planet.

Elvis stopped by and gave a mini review of his film "Elvis" (In a previous week, he gave it a "leveled thumbs" neither up nor down - but he wanted to speak of how films are memories - and how they too have frequency attached to them, so we can remember different periods in our life.

It's a freewheeling investigation into tapping into the afterlife.  Thanks for tuning in.


WISDOM FROM THE AFTERLIFE episode on Gaia airs today

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Thanks so much for coming on the show and we hope you enjoy your episode! GAIA VIA AMAZON


Hacking the Afterlife with Jennifer Shaffer "The New Normal"

While Jennifer is on vacation from the podcast, wanted folks to see this talk she gave a couple of years back in Laguna Woods.


Hacking the Afterlife with Jennifer Shaffer, Will Shakespeare Versus Prince

Another mind bending episode chatting with the flipside.

Had no idea, no agenda as we always do when doing the podcast. I begin with a shot out to my pal Iris Libby, "AskIrisLibby.com" - Iris and I did a guided meditation which revealed Harry and Greta's conversation from last week.

Then I asked our moderator Luana Anders what she wanted to talk about. To address the question, she first put an opera singer in Jennifer's mind, then a performance of "Romeo and Juliet" she had seen recently.

I asked if was an opera singer who wanted to speak with us (could be anyone from Pavarotti to Lanza) or if it was the playwright (Verdi, Rossini, etc.)  Jennifer said "It's the writer of the play."  

Then she paused and said "Will Shakespeare."

For those familiar with "Backstage Pass to the Flipside" they know that we've already interviewed Will - talked to him about his life and his journey and his plays, and who rewrote them, or how much they were rewritten - and the reasons behind them.  It was mind bending, as he mentions William Blake as being someone he works with often - someone who lived centuries later.  We chatted with Blake then as well.

But in this instance, he wanted to speak about the recent revelation that SCOTUS is about to overturn a woman's right to safe abortions.  He started by observing that "men in power have always done these kinds of things since the dawn of history."  I asked him to clarify his comments, and he does.

Then Prince showed up and spoke eloquently about the topic - pointing out that if "abortion had been legal he wouldn't have been on the planet." (I've never heard that before - or am aware he spoke of it anywhere else, but it is the other side of the coin.)

I asked him if that would have stopped him from becoming who he became, and he said "No, as that was part of my contract."  So - the point is that people need to examine how incarnation works, the process of coming to the planet, how people bring a portion of their conscious energy to a lifetime, but do not arrive before the fourth month of gestation.  

Jennifer mentions that in her 4000 sessions, every time the topic has come up, the person learns that their child they didn't have still exists, is there for them on the flipside. Keeping an eye on them, or coming via another method. In the seven years we've done this kind of work, that has been mentioned often.

I pointed out that Harry Dean Stanton, Elvis and Jimi Hendrix all recounted being met by a child they were supposed to have but did not.  We realize how the process works - we realize that no one dies. That the child we were supposed to have is waiting for us - or has incarnated with someone else that we know.

It's not opinion, theory or belief.  

It's based on thousands of clinical case studies from Dr. Helen Wambach, Dr. Brian Weiss and Michael Newton and the Newton Institute.  People report we come after the fourth month.  That's consistent throughout the reporting. In the 100 subjects I've filmed, all said the same.

So in this debate about what courts should or should do with women - the point is that if the Constitution guarantees life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - clearly that includes the right to healthy options about being alive.  Again - no reports of conscious energy coming prior to four months exist in the research.

Sorry if this offends people - or stirs them up. But more importantly, Luana and Will wanted to emphasize the idea of "standing up" or being creative, and using one's creativity to write - a play, a letter, a song - and use one's artistic abilities to change the paradigm.  To use one's creative talents to create the thing that will cause the change one seeks.  Be creative. Write the letter, the play, the film, the song that will bring about change.

Like I said, mind bending.


When does Life Begin?




When does life begin?

Does is begin with conception?

Does it begin when the sperm is accepted by the egg?

Does it begin when people are born?


The answer has always been a complex opinion.


However, in terms of the data, there is no mistake about the date of when human life begins.

It begins in the first trimester.

No sooner.

Not until the fourth month.  Until then the fetus is a mass of genetic material that is a possibility.

Conscious energy does not enter the fetus until after the fourth month.


How do we know this?

Because we can ask people, “When did your conscious energy (soul) enter your mother’s womb?”

The question has been asked in thousands of cases, in thousands of clinical case studies by Dr. Helen Wambach, a clinical psychologist from JFK University in her 2750 cases.  In her research, she never had a person who said they entered the womb until after the sixth month. In her book “Life Before Life” Dr. Wambach refers to her thousands of case studies.

According to Michael Newton, a hypnotherapist who did thousands of cases before publishing “Journey of Souls” in 1994.  In his research, he said that he never had a case where a person claimed to enter the fetus until the fourth month. In his interview for “Flipside: A Tourist’s Guide on How to Navigate the Afterlife” he reported he’d never heard or seen an example prior to that fourth month.

"The first “trimester.”

Now, is it possible that someone somewhere has entered previously?  Some hypnotherapists have reported that people are “there for the inception” – at the beginning, during the sex act. Some people claim that they “encouraged” or helped facilitate their meeting.

This is not opinion, theory or belief. It’s not an argument about “when life begins” – it’s profoundly clear that humanity doesn’t yet realize that life exists prior to life. That people report being “fully conscious” prior to incarnation, that they can examine, talk about, plan their future lifetime with the help of teachers, guides, classmates and council members.

I’ve been filming people accessing this information for over ten years. I’ve filmed over 100 people who have reported “when their conscious energy” entered the fetus.  Even when I did my first of six hypnotherapy sessions, I had no idea that I could answer the question – when asked I said “the fourth month.”  Others give a date or a month, but it’s always, without exception after the fourth month of inception.

When asked “why” – people report, “There’s nothing to do.” “It’s like hanging out with a fish.”

 They wait until the human embryo becomes large enough, complex enough to meld that conscious energy with the physical fetus. 

That’s the process. 

Consciousness exists outside the brain. 

See the work out of UVA Medical school that demonstrates that to be the case. Dr. Greyson’s book AFTER has thousands of NDE studies that show consciousness is not confined to the brain. Dr. Tucker’s book BEFORE is based on 1500 historically accurate reincarnation reports from people who recall previous lifetimes which demonstrate consciousness is not confined to the brain.

In the work of Ed and Emily Kelly, IRREDUCIBLE MIND and CONSCIOUSNESS UNBOUND included 100’s of peer reviewed studies that show consciousness is not confined to the brain. Dr. Mario Beauregard’s EXPANDING REALITY is the work of a post materialist neuroscientist who covers the research that shows consciousness is not confined to the brain.

It’s not opinion. It’s not a belief system. It’s not a theory – it’s data and footage of people saying the exact same things consistently.  In order to become data, research must be consistent and reproducible.

I challenge any psychiatrist, hypnotherapist, psychologist to ask their clients while accessing their journey “what month they chose to enter the fetus.” 

Even if the doctor is not aware of how the answer could be answered – they do answer it.

So before we watch the Supreme Court ruin the lives of people who are suffering from rape, incest or some other form of pressure in how they should or shouldn’t live their life – let’s be clear.  Life does not begin at conception. Life does not begin at birth either. 

Consciousness exists prior to birth, we bring a portion of our conscious energy to a lifetime and the rest stays “home” (the word everyone in the research uses instead of “the afterlife.”)

Based on the research, data and footage: 

Life begins – or the conscious energy of humans becomes part of the process - AFTER THE FOURTH MONTH OF GESTATION.

I’m a filmmaker. 

I’ve been filming people accessing this information for over ten years. 100s of examples. 

I’ve examined thousands of case studies. 

They all say the same thing.

It’s time for us to enter the 21st century about how consciousness functions and incarnation works.

My two cents.


Scenes from Cannes Man with Johnny Depp and others

 Here are some scenes from the film Cannes Man... made in 1996. I was late to the project, appeared in it, then was asked by the Producer to finish it - which I did.  Some fun cameos in here...  It's currently unavailable but hopefully someone will figure out how to make it available!


Hacking the Afterlife with Jennifer Shaffer, Harry Houdini and Greta Garbo

This one should be called "Garbo Speaks from the Flipside!"

This is about as mind bending as our podcast gets.  But wait, there's more!

A week ago Sunday, I was doing a session with my pal Iris Libby of "AskIrisLibby.com" fame - I've known Iris most of my life, know her as a successful businesswoman, a pal, who happens to be an amazing astrologer.  I've filmed her during her hypnotherapy session training with Scott De Tamble, and some excerpts of her sessions appear in my books.

We had an experiment to try - speaking to her council.  But when the session began, she said "Houdini is here."  I said "Why?" And he proceeded to chat with us. I asked if he was surprised to meet anyone on the flipside, and he said "Greta Garbo."

That session I recorded, and will be part of a future book.  But this session with Jennifer was a follow up on that conversation, as noted during the podcast.

Jennifer had no idea that I had "spoken to Houdini and Garbo" a week earlier, as I told no one.  Besides, everyone I know wouldn't believe me anyway - so there's no point in telling anyone as it is.

However, I left it up to our moderator on the flipside as to whom we should speak with - and I'll let the podcast speak for itself.

Inevitably I get details wrong - or incorrect. I'm asking the questions, and an interview is only as good as the person who directs the conversation. However, Harry and Greta both offer new insights, new information about their journey and the flipside from their current perspective.

I have no other way to put it than "Garbo speaks from the Flipside!" "Houdini makes an appearance from the Flipside!"  I will repeat what they both said during the session with Iris, and I do repeat it in the podcast:

Harry, when asked if he had any message for humanity it was "Everything is an illusion."  When asked the same questions Garbo said "Matter is not matter, and matter doesn't matter." 

Neither one could I make up.

So sit back and enjoy the 101st podcast of a very unusual collaboration. JenniferShaffer.com is where you can find Jennifer or book oneself one of her public events, or book privately. RichMartini.com is where you can find links to films and books in many languages. MartiniZone.com is where you can find the video of this interview, and HackingTheAfterlife.com is the podcast.

Thanks for tuning in!


Hacking the Afterlife with Jennifer Shaffer and Luana Anders. Dream Construction 100th podcast!

It's our 100th episode!  Whee! Mind you, Jennifer and I started doing this together seven years ago.  So it's our ... you do the math ... episode after doing this weekly for seven years. The other sessions are excerpted in the books BACKSTAGE PASS TO THE FLIPSIDE 1, 2 and 3 - or TUNING INTO THE AFTERLIFE.  https://www.audible.com/pd/Tuning-into-the-Afterlife-Audiobook/B09MG8Q5BH  As we often do - since doing this for so long - I let the moderator of our class on the flipside direct our conversation.  My pal Luana Anders passed in 1996, and since then has been visiting me (and members of my family) since then.  Clearly hasn't gone anywhere. Brings us new information.  She was a devout Buddhist, so in the general concept of the Boddhisattva vow - that we will return until everyone is "liberated" I'd say she's doing a heck of a job helping us with that. But Luana is our "guide" on the flipside, who is in charge of the VIP list of who gets into our class to speak with us.  So when I asked "Who is on Luana's list?" I'm leaving it up to her to let us know what she wants to speak about. In this case - it was about how to construct a dream, or the process of constructing a dream. In my case - I had this dream a few nights ago where I was "creating an object" on the flipside using intent and imagination alone. Generally a couple of nights prior to our podcast I may have a dream that involves the flipside. I don't remember all of them, but sometimes I remember a key. In one instance it was the word "telegraph key" to point out that we are like telegraph keys here - and people on the flipside can "send signals" that we need to translate into concepts, words, etc. Anyways - I'm just giving some context to another mind bending podcast. HAPPY 100TH EPISODE!  Enjoy.


Hacking The Afterlife with Elvis, Prince, Charles and Amelia ”Finding Your Voice"

A bit longer podcast today, talking about "Finding your voice."  As always, first we connect with Luana Anders on the Flipside, my friend who passed in 1996 who helps me and Jennifer to facilitate these conversations.  There's a conversation up front about that process and how we got started before we ask Luana to introduce the first guest on her list.

Elvis came forward to talk about "finding your voice." We didn't ask for him to come forward, but as fans of this podcast know, it's whomever has asked to speak to us. Could be someone we've interviewed in the past, could be someone that we both know, in this case, there are a number of people that come forward - personal friends and others.

He wanted to refer to a person's "voice" - that energy or frequency that relates to who they are over many lifetimes.  I asked Prince to comment on the recently found footage of him in Minneapolis, Jennifer wasn't aware of it - but Prince was an accurately describes what is in the clip.

My dearest friend Charles Grodin stopped by to talk about a couple of things, and weighed in about the recent Oscar telecast where the "in Memoriam" section was so convoluted, and the famous "slap heard round the world."  Interesting to note that Charles echoed what Denzel Washington said afterwards; "Who are we to judge?" Charles reminding us that "from the flipside we see things in terms of a person's overall journey - all of their lifetimes and how that translates into action in this lifetime."

Then Amelia Earhart stopped by for a chat. Jennifer didn't know that I was speaking about her recently in a surprise appearance on "Coast to Coast" in the middle of the night, and Amelia continued to encourage me to make a film about what really happened to her.   

Then a discussion about angels and "Pegasus."  Jennifer notes that she had recently gotten an email from someone involved in a case in Texas where she's helping law enforcement - and the contents of the email were about what seeing a "Pegasus" represents metaphorically.  It's about transportation - as we've heard from people who self identify as "angels."  

"The wings are a metaphor for travel between realms at the speed of thought."

Interesting discussion over all.  

For more information: JenniferShaffer.com - a list of the 9 books are at RichMartini.com, clips and links from the podcast are at MartiniZone.com - or the podcast itself is on Apple at HackingTheAfterlife.com 


PS: Six hours ago, Julian Lennon released this version of him singing his father's song "Imagine."  It was yesterday we recorded this session. Elvis used this song as an example of "finding your voice." Perhaps he was referring to this version of the song. Take a moment to enjoy this song, and think of the folks in Ukraine.



The Process and The Librarian Podcasts from Hacking The Afterlife

 Couple of interesting podcasts the past couple of weeks.

This week's is "The Process"

"Today's podcast is about process. In our ongoing conversation with Luana Anders, our pal no longer on the planet but who moderates a classroom on the flipside, we asked her about process. How people are able to connect with their loved ones on the flipside, but from the perspective of someone on the flipside trying to reach out to someone here.

In today's conversations, Luana has Charles Grodin, TV producer Howard Schultz and others weigh in on the process.  We have guest appearances by Garry Shandling on the anniversary of his passing, who talks about the "venn diagram" of creating structures like golf courses on the flipside - a short chat with Marilyn about the recent Vanity Fair article about her relationship with RFK. 

There's also a chat with Dick Clark who stops by to chat about the process. It's all mind bending stuff, and again, we do our best to talk about the process. Buckle up, it's going to be a unusual journey."

The week before it was "The Librarian"

Happy St. Patrick's Day.  

"Today we have an interesting chat with someone who self identifies as "the Librarian."  In this instance, he suggested we call him "Seven" as to avoid separation between us and him.  He says that he's the librarian for all the Akashic libraries - normally shows up as an ancient fellow who is about the size and demeanor of Yoda.

In the half dozen times I've chatted with him, via different people, each time he gives insight into the journey. In this case he self identifies as the "Librarian" of all Akashic libraries - not throughout all realms and universes, but the ones we might have access to.  He mentions that as a result of that, he's connected to all of us - at least on a frequency level.

It's an unusual talk - and is in line with our other mind bending conversations with him (listed as "five" at MartiniZone.com).  All I can say is, whoever shows up, we try to ask as many questions as we can.

Happy wearing of the green."

Jennifer Shaffer can be found at JENNIFERSHAFFER.COM

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Our first podcast with a living person; Robert Thurman


We had our first guest on our podcast - first guest that is still on the planet that is!

Robert Thurman.

I had the good fortune to take a class with Robert Thurman at Columbia University back in the 90's. As noted in my talk at the Conference of Living and Dying recently via Tibet House, I was working for Charles Grodin on his talk show when I audited this class in philosophy. It led me to study Tibetan philosophy - Buddhism in particular, which I find to be a peerless philosophy.

Robert is an author of many excellent books about Buddhist philosophy, including but not limited to "Inner Revolution" and beautiful translation of the "Bardo Thodol" in the "Tibetan Book of the Dead." His book "Circling the Sacred Mountain was instrumental in my own trip to Mt. Kailash with him in 2004. I've had the privilege to travel with him and his wife Nena to Ladakh, and then later a trip across Tibet where I filmed the journey for a documentary on YouTube "Journey Into Tibet with Robert Thurman." https://youtu.be/MqbG_RY4eiY Robert is one of the wisest, most insightful humans I've met - it's a privilege for him to appear on our podcast. He recently became aware of this podcast during my talk for the Conference, so it was his suggestion he come on to see if he could communicate with anyone "no longer on the planet." It was in that spirit we tried this experiment. As Jennifer notes, she isn't aware of his life or journey outside of knowing he's the father of Uma, and that he's a Buddhist scholar. He's a passionate speaker, and at the moment clearly wanted to express his dismay over the war in Ukraine, and his solidarity for the people who are suffering, as well as the suffering of the Russians who want no part in killing their neighbors. My apologies for playing the role of moderator here - to keep us on track to speak to people on the flipside who might want to speak to Robert. As noted - I texted Jennifer and said Robert wanted to come on the podcast, and she replied "His mentor wants to talk to him." (Jennifer had no idea who that would be.) Later she texted "His mom really wants to talk to him." Then "Steve Jobs told me that he knows him." We didn't get to Robert's mom, but we did get to the other two. For the skeptics in the audience, allow me to say "this podcast isn't for you." That's fine - skepticism is healthy - we can't really understand skydiving until we jump out of the plane. For those who are devout Buddhists who may find this disconcerting, I can vouch that Robert has spent his whole life sharing the dharma, Buddhism across the globe. I recall a monk coming up to us in Tibet, in a cave, outside the view of the soldiers in the courtyard and saying "thank you americans for remembering us." I heard him whisper it in English in Robert's ear - the comment brought me to tears. "Thank you for remembering us." The same can be said of those who are no longer on the planet. "Thank you for remembering us." This podcast is dedicated to remembering those who have gone before us - one can imagine that everything that is said in this podcast is subconscious information, but I suggest looking for new information that could not be cryptomnesia - something someone heard or read. Jennifer is not trying to prove there is an afterlife, she works with law enforcement agencies daily helping people with details to solve cases (the investigators consider it a way to gain new information that turns into evidence). We do this podcast in the same vein - consider this as gathered intelligence that point to a greater truth. It may very well be that we are pulling these concepts out of thin air - but after having filmed people accessing this information for over ten years, 100s of examples indicate otherwise. As always with any insight, we hope that sharing this information heals someone who is in need of healing, sharing this information helps people who need help, sharing these concepts help people to open their minds to the possibility that life continues on and if so, it makes sense for us to learn something new from those no longer with us. After all, the love doesn't die - they still care about us as we did then, it's only we who stop caring about them by pretending we cannot hear them. I can't help but reflect on how my friend Luana's passing led me to Robert's class, which led me to Tibet and India, which led me to this podcast, which led me to this episode. The "red string" of our lives continues on. I hope you enjoy this podcast as much as we did making it. Love love. For more information about Robert and Tibet House, see thus.org . His books, lectures and teachings are priceless - find more about him at BobThurman.com For more information about Jennifer, she's at JenniferShaffer.com - I'm at RichMartini.com - or MartiniZone.com for those who are first time viewers, buckle up - to quote Bob's pal Ram Dass; "we are all just walking each other home."

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