I wrote to her the other day about my research, and basically asked her to recall whatever it was she knew about classrooms on the Flipside PRIOR to reading any of my work on the topic. She is a nurse who also happens to be a medium, but she was not aware of my research into the flipside, or my documentary about Michael Newton where I first heard of a description of classrooms in the afterlife that was similar to what my dying friend Luana Anders had described as her "recurring dream" prior to her passing in 1996.
I'm going to offer my correspondence with her like a chapter in one of my books. I've just finished "Hacking the Afterlife" and it will likely be awhile before I start on the next one, but I felt this information was important to get out into the world, as it relates to all of my research.
Here is verbatim my outgoing email to Donna Natalie-Velocci (who said it was okay to use her name in this post. Normally I don't use people's names to avoid any possible concept that they are trying to promote or "sell" their experiences in any fashion. But in this case, if you're in Long Island and are looking for a medium, she's someone you might consider reaching out to.)
"Hi Donna. Our mutual friend said you'd seen something that had to do with classrooms? Tell all please! :)"
"Hi Rich ... yes I have had multiple dreams of being in a classroom with my spirit guide. Actually 2 of my 3 guides. It's definitely lucid because I'm 100% aware I'm dreaming. I'm being instructed on spirituality. Oneness " being " , how to heal myself and others.
Not to demand understanding or knowledge .. just receive and be " one " with the info. I plead with them to let me sleep because I need to rest. They explain I am resting my physical body and this is nourishment for the spirit. It's like being downloaded with info.
But I seem to fight it somewhat because I feel exhausted in the dream ! I know other ascended masters are present. I am often awestruck in the dreams and see they are teaching / instructing others but I can't see the others. I will wake usually around 3-4 am and fall right back into the sane classroom dream. I will wake feeling drained , somewhat foggy. But just " know " certain things.
My guide will be very present around me all day. I have had this exact dream perhaps 3-4 times in the past year. I have always connected with the spirit world in dreams since childhood. I know my past lives because of recurring dreams I had that began at age 3-4...
I'm a medium ... not psychic. I'm also a reiki healer and have some training in South American shamanism .. curandero. My job .. a nurse 🤕"
"Very cool! Thank you for sharing Donna. Well, the reason our mutual friend connected us is because those dreams are what my past four books have been about. She wanted to make sure that you hadn't seen or read them prior to this conversation - so it's open and not clogged up with concepts... but let me ask you a few questions if you don't mind. And I would ask them to respond as well... so do me a favor and go to the last time you had this experience.
Look around the room. How many people are there? Look at your guides, is there a main one? Male or female? Is there a name associated with them? (the answers don't have to come, but something to think about. Write them down, or put them in an email.)
Then look behind you and around the room some more. Describe this room. How many people are here in this class? Do you recognize anyone? Doesn't matter who that would be, but the first person that comes to mind. Is it someone you know from here or from the classroom only? If you turn to another student, can you ask him or her a few questions?
First, make sure it's okay to interrupt this moment to ask a question. Then ask the other student to describe in detail what you are learning in this class. what's a one, two, three description of what the class teaches? Then try to focus your mind on the point of view of your guides.
Look at yourself. What do you look like? Same age you are now? Any color associated with how you look? Don't judge any of these answers, just let them appear in your mind. Then let's ask the guides - what's the purpose of allowing you to consciously remember these classes?
Is there a goal in mind for allowing that to happen? Then you can ask this question - "Can you take me to a place of healing or relaxing so that I can feel rejuvenated?"
If so, allow that to come to your mind. What's the place look like? Is it outside or inside? And what is happening to you? It's also a way of relaxing while you're doing this kind of work - you may feel tired, but it may just be your conscious mind struggling to keep up with this information that is coming to you - which can be exhausting because it's broadcasting at a different frequency.
But just allow that whatever comes to mind should come to mind. Now focus a bit on the instruction - is there some kind of technique that you're learning over there? If so, describe it as best you can? How do you connect your energy to your patient or the person near you? How does this kind of healing occur?
Is there an alignment of sorts that happens? If so, where is the source of this healing energy? does it come from the student, the teacher or somewhere else? And if it's somewhere else, to give you a concept or visual or idea of where that energy comes from.
The cool thing is that we can ask these questions while fully conscious. I don't know where you're located but I work with Scott De Tamble in Claremont who is an expert at taking people into these areas, where classrooms can be seen. If you want to read up on the topic I can point you in the right direction - but before you do that, perhaps just meditate a little bit on these classes.
The point is, what I've learned in my work is that you don't necessarily have to be under hypnosis to access them - it helps, and helps you focus, but just by shifting your energy a bit, you can actually walk into the classroom while fully awake. And perhaps ask some questions of your own.
Thanks in advance for any answers you come up with! And later I'll send you some links to my work (film link, etc) when you want to check it out.
"Wow, fascinating ! I had no idea people study this topic ! I can tell you right off the top of my head some very specific answers . My guide is a Native American man. I call him White Owl .. because he first appeared to me with a mask of white owl feathers allowed me to see through the eyes of the owl. Often when I meditate I see through birds eyes .. almost always raptors.
White owl is a tall quiet man. He hid his facial features from me for quite a long time. I could hear him . See his clothing but not his face . I can sense him very strongly around me. When I meditate he often is in the background of my inner vision. I can often sense him without seeing him. I have another very elderly Native American gentleman who is a teacher of shamanistic healing methods."
(NOTE: As Donna will see in "Flipside," the book that I've sent her, White Owl fits the description of a "spirit guide." We all have a primary one, we may have more than one, but everyone has at least one. They aren't necessarily associated with any group, though fans of my books will note how many - it's about a third - of my cases have backgrounds in Native American culture. Is that because I have a memory of a past life as a Native American? I don't know. Pete Smith, President of the Newton Institute tells me that about 30% of their cases now involve people who've had "off planet" experiences, meaning they've incarnated in other places than Earth. That's up from Michael Newton's initial report of about "ten percent" of the cases he examined. Is that because more of them are coming here? Or is it because those who are here seek out hypnotherapy? No idea.)
"He does not ever speak to me nor does he ever seem impatient with me. I understand him through thoughts. I sit with him .. and it's a transfer of thoughts... memories of healing gifts from past lives. He has explained to me that my hands are healing gifts. His job is to make my heart and mind remember my abilities. Slowly I am.
He told me his name is Wise Walker. ( ironic that the only place he walks through is my mind) he is always sitting on the dirt. Never standing. Always wearing earth colored clothing .. almost robe like. With long white hair. White Owl is very stoic , quiet .. but severely protective over me and gets impatient with me when I "demand to know things sooner then later" .. many of the lessons taught to me have been that my ego demands book learning .. parameters or scores or something to delineate a clear beginning and end."
(NOTE: As reported in the books, when it comes to names on the flipside, people generally gives us an approximation of what their name might be. It's not a sacrosanct thing, as many of the names appear like "musical notes" rather than actual names. Interesting that these names are like the Native American names of lore and legend. In my case I remembered being called "Watanka" which I thought was a mispronunciation of the world "Tatanka" which I had learned in the film "Dances with Wolves" meant Buffalo. It was some months later, that I learned from a Lakota historian that Watanka was a common derivation of "Wakan Tanka" (the great spirit) and he described the outfit that I told him I had seen (buckskin with two feathers entwined in my hair) as "common outfit for someone who was a medicine man." He told me other details that verified what I had seen - details I didn't know, could not find on line, but turned out to be absolutely correct.)
"A time frame in which to complete learning. He has made it very clear to me that I don't dictate what lessons I will absorb .. when I am ready the lesson will come to me. When we demand we are ego. He explains ego has no place in my healing world. Ok classroom.. well lit .. long light bulb fixtures above me. I look around and see other students. None are anyone I recognize.
What I do notice is we are from different eras or time periods. We are different races and ethnicities. There are males and females. There are 3 ascended masters (spirit guides) off to the side watching us .. they look like they are discussing us and having a coffee break , so to speak. I seem unable to communicate with other students in the group.
My guide . . My main teacher is White owl. I know exactly what he looks like. Long dark hair. Serious expression. He emanates green from his clothing that are deer skin. He wears face paint always. He never shows his face without masks or paint. I ask him why...
He responds "If I do not know . .. it is not for me to ask .." he is teaching me to feel answers. Not ask. FEEL .. which will equal knowing. Which for an empirical mind like mine!!! That proved extremely difficult. Yet I have made great progress. He's basically telling me .. it's not my business what other people's lessons are until i master my own ..as if to say .. healer heal thyself then heal others. Nor do the other students interact with one another or seem aware of each other.
I can see them all but none interact with one another. It's like some collective conscious classroom. I have asked why I remember these downloads of lessons. I am instructed That my body only sleeps and this is the highest level of learning I have yet experienced. My first classes were about .. accepting my gifts. I am a lover of knowledge and when I first started really tapping into all this .. I wanted to learn everything under the sun .
I was shown a teacher that I had been attending groups with and saw my reiki instructor and was told .. they will both serve major purposes they also both deeply disappoint you. The learning is in the disappointment. I didn't believe my male teacher would disappointment me. I was unsure of the female. Sure enough both did and the male one basically abandoned me because he said my gift had surpassed his and he had no where left to go with me. I felt abandoned and alone. White owl proved me wrong by putting me back in the classroom.
This lesson was my most recent class .. that of realizing instead of waiting for spirit to present itself to me .. I could focus on someone's energy and tap into their energy field. To not stress or strain when tapping into energy ..just receive. The thought transmits . My guide white owl is the operator for connecting as a medium. I connect to him first. I ask him to protect my energy and the persons I am reading. He is like the operator who connects the call.
I have advanced enough with my abilities that I don't need to call him in .. he is always intertwined with my spirit. The other guides as odd as it sounds I know I saw a Buddha looking figure. But I love Buddhist teachings and read it a lot. So I took it to reflect components of my inner healing medicine bag. What I blend. I have literally begged my teachers to let me sleep , to let me dream not be a student and learn.
Yet I have come to realize ..I am being downloaded with such extremely important information. My last classroom session I woke at just prior to 4 am. When I woke I was extremely aware of a very dense , heavy energy in my room with me. I knew it was white owl. There was a visible hazyness on my room. I knew he was going to take me right back into the class. Which he did. Back in I go .. back to being taught how to tap into someone's energy field. I was instructed to teach a meditation class.
Which I now do. I am myself in these classes. I can see my self as I am now. Yet when I meditate I am frequently me .. but don't look like me. I have seen myself with the old sitting man wise Walker .. sitting across from him as a child .. learning quietly .. listening. It's very clear he isn't supposed to be teaching me .. a female child in his tribe .. gifts only men were allowed to practice.
He instructs me to hide my hands as that's where my power lies. Oddly enough I frequently sit on my hands. He has made me understand it's a habit from a past life as a Native American healing child. I have seen myself in Native American clothing. I have understood Lakota yet can't speak it.
I know how I feel in that Native American grown woman's body. Yet it's the not the same body as the child's. it's my soul being in different physical dwellings. I have seen myself in a forest .. like Robin Hood times. Long flowing maiden gown running through the forest carefree and happy. Yet in the classrooms I am me as I appear now.
There are even chalkboards in the classrooms. My relaxation and place .. there's 2. One is a beautiful very old temple. With Moroccan appearing walls with a beautiful turquoise body of water within the walls. The water looks like crystals sparkle in it. The other place is in nature. I am by a river. I look down at my feet and see fitted short fringe boots.
It's my adult female Native self. Eagles soaring .. in this place I feel sleepy ., I rest there and wake feeling fresh. If the person I am working on is resistant to healing .. they divert the healing pathway. They will feel some relief or some healing. But will continue to suffer or struggle. If I am reading someone and they become negative it literally causes interference in the connection. I as the medium and them as the person receiving the message are both conduits.
When one is not properly receiving .. full healing doesn't take place. White owl has taught me .. not to expect miracles .. not to try and cure someone. My role is to deliver a message of love , healing and guidance. I have dreaded these classes when I experience because the aftermath is always profound. I can hear , see, feel , taste , smell spirit messages. And just " know ".
After each class I have Become more balanced with my energy. I have a calmness within my being. I know I have been given this gift to help heal others as well as myself. ( I have a very rare auto immune disorder. 4.5 years ago , ironically I was blind in both eyes , I have vision back in my right eye. Left eye I am blind .. interesting lesson to have to go blind to learn how to truly see ) .. I am definately going to try and interact with the students next time. I can speak to my spirit guide 24/7..."
(NOTE: How unusual is this? Someone I don't know reaches out to me through the internet, and it turns out she's having the identical experience with spirit guides and classrooms that everyone else is having. I share it with you unedited to show how similar we all are,and how prevalent this research turns out to be. My two cents.)