Hacking the Afterlife with Jennifer Shaffer, Lisa Marie Presley, Elvis, Benjamin and Michael Jackson

 

So Jennifer let me know that she didn’t think she was going to be able to make today’s podcast, then texted me a few minutes later to say she’d try since someone was “bugging her” about doing so. We started our podcast as we do all of them — no prep. Don’t know what we’re going to talk about. But clearly someone wanted to stop by and say hello.

Lisa Marie Presley, who said that her father Elvis, her son Benjamin and her former husband Michael Jackson greeted her on the flipside. As noted in the podcast we’ve often had people come by and “observe” or “see what it is we’re doing” — because when one is on the flipside, it’s not entirely clear how to communicate between themselves and loved ones back on the planet. Jennifer and I have been doing this for eight years.

Once a week, basically for the past eight years — she normally has pro bono cases that she works on with law enforcement agencies (about a third of her time) and the rest of the time booked with a variety of clients. But she tries to make time for the podcast — which clearly is not selling our four books — “BACKSTAGE PASS TO THE FLIPSIDE” 1, 2 OR 3, or TUNING INTO THE AFTERLIFE.

We do this podcast as a public service, to demonstrate that anyone can access their loved ones — that it’s a matter of “bypassing the filters” to do so. In my work, I’ve demonstrated that in DivineCouncils.com where people use a simple guided meditation to access guides and councils.

In this case, I’m asking questions to Lisa Marie Presley that we’ve asked everyone — “who greeted you when you crossed over?” “What was that like?” “Do you have any messages for loved ones back on the planet?” “Who were you surprised to meet?” Then there’s a discussion of awareness, as in “what are you doing over there?” At some point, her father, who has stopped by our class before, said that he was “busy playing baseball” when we asked him to stop by.

When asked to describe that, he gave relatively the same information that Junior Seau gave (it’s in the book “Backstage Pass to the Flipside” where we talk to Junior’s widow without Jennifer knowing who Gina was — and she correctly identified (on camera) her husband on the flipside.

It’s in the film “Talking to Paul Allen, Junior Seau and Dave Duerson.” So when Elvis is talking about “Playing baseball with Babe Ruth” — he’s literally talking about the mental construct of that, how one can created (like CGI) the memories of those events, mixed with the action of the game, that we create using math for telemetry, speed, power, etc. I ask him questions related to the topic as we’ve discussed it before with Junior Seau and other athletes, just never with Lisa Marie’s dad.

We do this podcast to help other heal, to help with grief, to demonstrate that anyone anywhere can access their loved ones — they don’t need a medium, (it can help) don’t need a hypnotherapist (it can help) don’t need a meditation guide (it can help.) Take the time to learn to chat with them — they’re standing by to say hello.

Examples of Jennifer in action are in the film HackingTheAfterlifeFilm.com — and the simple meditation can be found in the book DivineCouncils.com Hope this helps.

Jennifer Shaffer

Lisa Marie Presley

Elvis

Michael Jackson

Hacking the Afterlife with Jennifer Shaffer, Eddie and Bill Paxton

 Aside from being a film writer/director, I had a fun chance to be a music critic at Variety for a number of years.  My pal Bruce Haring was one of the editors at the time, moving over from Billboard, then leaving for more pristine pastures; he roped me into writing music reviews under the moniker "tini" during the early 90's, then under my own name during the late 90's.

I saw it as an opportunity to turn my 150 words into an experience for people. Filmmaking can take years - writing, casting, directing, putting it into theaters - I enjoyed being able to craft an experience, and have it published the "next day." (Search "Rich Martini Variety" for some examples). I also played in a band full of "rock critics" who played the House of Blues three times and various venues on the strip. 

If anything, I was chastised for not being "critical enough" - because I felt "If people paid this much money to see their favorite act and are standing on their seats" then my job was to translate that experience into words for people who couldn't see the show.  And I saw a lot of shows that people were wild about and I was amused by how much fun they were having. It I could translate that into a phrase, or a sensation, I was happy to do so.

(Plus I hated being reviewed negatively, still stinging from Siskel and Ebert giving me a "thumbs way down" for my film "Limit Up" - so likely I avoided putting my thumbs out there for anyone else's work.)

I can pretty much say out of the dozens of shows I covered, only a handful got the "negativity" from me, and always for technical reasons, or the laziness of the artist who didn't show up at the tech rehearsal, or just lip synching their way through the set.  

I had the privilege to review and meet up with everyone from Sting to Prince, from Paul Simon to an impromptu set at Johnny Depp's club by Eddie Vedder. (Which I was fired over, because "no journalists" were allowed - and they didn't know I was invited as a filmmaker, by a filmmaker - and the agents were in a tizzy over my "sneaking in" to review the show.) That last review in in the "Variety" link above.

Be that as it may - I never had the chance to see or review Van Halen. 

I worked with the actress from "Hot for Teacher" who appeared in the short film "Video Valentino" that started my career - but never had the fortune to see Eddie, a virtuoso, play.

So when he passed this week, I did some due diligence, read up on his life and journey, put it in the context of the flipside research ("Who was there to greet you when you crossed over?") and other questions that people familiar with Jennifer and my sessions will recognize. I ask him the same questions I ask everyone who appears in our classroom (moderated by the person with the VIP clipboard, Luana Anders)

But I'm also a musician, mom was a concert pianist (AnthyMartini.com) and I spent much of my life in and out of concert halls, playing nightclubs with bands, solo (Les Deux Cafe in Hollywood on Saturdays for two years where people like Don Everly would sit in) or sitting in with some awesome acts.  

                                   with Mick and his dad.

I play my own version of "Chicago Blues" in the style of Otis Spann (at least in my imagination) and have played gigs that got me other adventures in my lifetime. (Including a four week gig on a yacht during the Millennium which had a bevy of stars aboard. "The Bob Shaye Millennium Cruise." Another post, another time.)

But music has always been part of my life, so when I dive into my interview with Eddie it's knowing how we communicate through "frequency," how musicians tend to incarnate as musicians (not always, sometimes) that he can speak about music on a deeper level.  I knew that Jennifer was not aware of who I was going to ask to speak with - nor did she know that he was the guitar solos on Michael Jackson's songs "Beat It" and "Thriller."

Jennifer knew he had died of cancer, as it was in all the news - but in particular she didn't know any of the details. Who was with him, how many were with him, what his cancer was about, the idea that he got it from guitar picks - something he floated for years, or that he favored his Gibson over other guitars.

This interview with him is no different than any other interview I do with folks on the flipside, and it is no different than an interview I might have done had I spent an hour with him on the planet.   Questions about music - where does it come from - how did you write music - what are your opinions about music?

He pointedly says (perhaps in jest) that he got "pennies" for working on "Thriller" (only Quincy will know if that's accurate, we interview Ray Charles and he talks about Q in "Backstage Pass to the Flipside") - and that his brother Alex should "focus on music residuals that he is due."  Being a member of BMI  (I've scored two of my 8 feature films), I know how important that is to report and get straight.  So this is a practical interview as well as a musical one.

Bill Paxton shows up because I knew Eddie supplied music for "Twister," and he weighs in on the "frequency" of creativity - how films are similar to music in that they contain the emotions of many - the writer, director, composer, the actors... all conspire to help humanity deal with particular issues. Whether it's fear, overcoming fear, or overcoming fear of death.  It's there as well.

I give you our interview with Eddie 

Here's the Billboard article I cite in the interview (which I had not posted, or referred to. But contains quite a few of the details behind my questions.)

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/6605231/eddie-van-halen-addiction-david-lee-roth-touring

All of these questions are based on the five years I've been doing interviews with folks on the flipside via Jennifer, all of the context is based on the ten years of filming people under hypnosis or not under hypnosis (100 to date, half without) accessing the same information on the flipside. The same information about choosing our incarnations, and why we do so.

Finally, I send sincere condolences to his family and friends, his son, his wife, their dog, his ex wife. All who are suffering immeasurably at the loss of a loved one. I do this work because I can - not to sell books, not to sell myself, not to sell Jennifer - people who need to seek her out can find her, people who need to read the books will do so.  All I am doing is reporting.

I turn the camera on, I ask questions, I turn it off. People say the exact same things about the afterlife even though its contrary to every religious belief system, contrary to every scientific belief system. What they say is consistent and reproducible; two hallmarks of data.

I'm just the reporter here. Don't blame the piano player.

Enjoy.

LINK TO THE INTERVIEW AT MARTINIZONE.COM

For those who are familiar with the books "Backstage Pass to the Flipside" 1, 2 and 3 (as well as the book "Hacking the Afterlife" and the film "Flipside" - this is more of the same. More verification. 

I have been doing this for so long with her, know that she works with law enforcement agencies nationwide on missing person cases (ask Bill Bratton former NYPD commissioner about her), and two of our class pals stop by. 

Besides Bill Paxton's visit Anthony Bourdain stopped by to give me some health advice that is right on the money.  

No other way to put it.  If one wants to speak directly to loved ones on the flipside, there are three methods I can recommend; hypnotherapy, guided meditation and through a medium like Jennifer. 

My two cents.

The hidden legacy of Michael Jackson

"Those people made up a goddamn story because they wanted money and we will not allow that to go unchecked," Branca said following a talk at Harvard Law School.  From "Michael Jackson Co-Executor John Branca Says He's Considering Suing 'Leaving Neverland' Director Dan Reed" in Billboard.com

Photo Michael Jackson performs during Rose Bowl in Pasadena. Steve Granitz/Getty Images

"Michael Jackson estate co-executor John Branca spoke publicly for the first time about Leaving Neverland on April 16 and indicated that additional litigation -- this time against the documentary's director Dan Reed -- may be forthcoming. Branca and two of the other members of Jackson's estate legal team, Howard Weitzman and Bryan Freedman, were the the key participants in the panel discussion titled "Trial by Media: Guilty Until Proven Innocent" presented at Harvard’s Institute of Politics in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

....In response to Branca's comments, an HBO spokesperson said, "Dan Reed is a proven, award-winning filmmaker and we have full confidence in his film."
(Branca said) "Dan Reed's documentary is replete with inaccuracies, lies and stuff they knew not to be true," Branca told Billboard. "They should be ashamed of themselves." ...."Hopefully the real truth will come out, other facts will come out and people will pay attention to both sides of the story," said Branca. "From the point of view of society, I want to make it so people feel comfortable saying, 'I love Michael's music.'"  "Michael," Branca said to Billboard, "is too big to fail."

Well...

Here's the "OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY" - that contains the flipside aspects to this journey. 

It's all disconcerting... until you realize that this may have been planned in advance on the Flipside.

"The Definition of Legacy: The dictionary would define Legacy as a gift or a bequest, that is handed down, endowed or conveyed from one person to another. It is something descendible one comes into possession of that is transmitted, inherited or received from a predecessor."

What we've learned in our deep dive into the flipside, interviewing people post mortem about their lives, their motivations and why they were on the planet in the first place, Michael has "turned up" in our discussions ("Backstage Pass to the Flipside: Talking to the Afterlife with Jennifer Shaffer.") After "Leaving Neverland" ran, our discussions turned to "why?" or whether it was part of a cycle (as often those who molest were molested themselves.)

In our "interview" he said that was accurate; that he had been molested by a "friend of the family" and it began at the age of 5. (If I "out" someone reporting from the flipside, can they sue? You can't libel folks no longer on the planet. Still, the detail must give one pause.) But the larger, more profound portrait that emerges is his report that this part of his legacy was part of why he signed up for this lifetime.

That teaching lessons in love, forgiveness, redemption takes many forms - and our discussion of these events. he said was also part of his legacy and why he "signed up for it." (According to this research, people claim we "sign up" for lifetimes, even difficult ones, and have the free will to turn one down we think we can't handle.) 

As reported in "It's a Wonderful Afterlife" a friend revealed under deep hypnosis the molestation she experienced as a child had been "agreed to" so she could teach the perpetrator lessons in the "negativity of his actions." After seeing this part of her journey from that perspective, she later said "years of therapy" dissolved when she realized she'd known this person many lifetimes, and had agreed to teach him that difficult, profound lesson.

Hearing that some of our most difficult pathways were planned in advance may be disconcerting for many, but it is in the research. I'd be remiss if I didn't report what I've been hearing consistently during these flipside interviews or from folks under deep hypnosis. It's not my theory, belief or opinion people say these things either under deep hypnosis or during a flipside "interview;" I'm only reporting what they consistently say. 

Michael's reputation and our ability to hear his talent will occur only after we come to the realization that the portrait of any soul is much deeper and more complex than we know on the surface. When we come to realize that the actions of one lifetime are merely part of the overall portrait of who someone becomes - that we don't die, we move on to learn or teach more lessons in unconditional love. His music lives on, but his legacy just became more complex.

As it's said; "hate the sin, not the sinner." In this case, we can all learn how to spot signs of abuse early, help the person being abused, help the perpetrator to understand the source of his or her abuse, and how these actions fit into their overall path or journey. People can and do heal from all manner of abuse. "The meaning of life according to Viktor Frankl, lies in finding a purpose and taking responsibility for ourselves and other human beings" or to paraphrase the Dalai Lama; "You can't control how others behave, but you can control how you react to them." 

Excerpt from our interview with "the King of Pop" - (will be part of a book, but since people have asked, here's an excerpt: 

As usual, Medium Jennifer Shaffer and I begin our session with me either mentioning who I invited to the session, or letting Jennifer “guess” who I invited.  Sometimes she says it on the first try, sometimes it takes three different attempts; it’s a bit of a guessing game for our friends on the flipside as well, as they project the images that lead to the name of the person who’s standing by to be interviewed. 

In this case, I remembered that Michael Jackson had shown up a couple of weeks earlier, and I asked him to take a seat while we interviewed someone else. He had shown up with Prince, a frequent contributor to our interviews, and appeared in "Hacking the Afterlife" and often in "Backstage Pass to the Flipside."

My questions are in italics, Jennifer Shaffer replies in bold.  This was filmed on March 12^th, 2019, after the screening of “Finding Neverland” on HBO (which Jennifer and I have yet to view).

RICHARD: Last week we interrupted Prince who had shown up with Michael Jackson. Sorry about that. What do they want to say? That’s my question - do they want to talk? Is Michael here?

JENNIFER: Yes.

So Michael, you’ve been in the news lately.

“He’s happy that it’s out. It’s healing and it’s helping others.”

Anything you want me to say on your behalf? Or what do you want to say about it?

"He didn’t know how harmful it was. He really loved those boys, like he was ... (trying to find the words) there was a love he didn’t know (how to express)... he was so separated from..."

His emotions?

He says “I meant what I said, I know they’re healing, they’re healing now, I know Oprah interviewed the boys and (know) how it’s helping to break the cycle for everyone...” – Not only was he iconic, you know as a pop star, but he’s... he didn’t.. I don’t know how you could say this... but "this was his life path."

I was going to ask him that.

He said, “Yeah.”

(Note: In the book “It’s a Wonderful Afterlife," a close friend did a deep hypnosis session and on the way to it, revealed she’d been molested by someone in her family. I didn’t know that – said I was sorry to hear it, but perhaps she could learn something during her session.  Five hours in, she got to the point of discussing it – the hypnotherapist didn’t know anything about it, but asked her written question “What was up with you and this person in your life?” And she said “I’m seeing that it was part of my life planning process. I’m seeing that he asked me to participate in those actions in this lifetime... and that I agreed to, or did so to help teach him the lessons in the negativity of his actions.  But I agreed to it.”  Afterwards, she told me that 20 years of therapy had dissolved during the session when she saw she’d had other lifetimes with this same person, and how their bond was not about this temporary stage play but something deeper over many lifetimes.)

Prince, please help him with this if you can. So Michael, you chose this life to not only hit the heights musically but also to hit the depths?

“Absolutely.”

We’ve learned this in the research, not from those boys, not from this case or these boys... but from other people - they signed up for a lifetime to help teach others.

(Jennifer aside:) I asked him, “Is that (also) what you want to remembered by?” and he said “Yes.”

So it’s to help teach a lesson in overcoming negativity, overcoming trauma?

“Yes.” He showed me all the layers of it.

Let me ask you this question - Who’s idea was this? (To have this multilayered lifetime). Your guides? Your teachers? Who came up with the idea of teaching negativity in a healing way?

“It was the environment,” (to be able to do that) he says.

Let’s go back to your life planning session if we can... Prince can we help him go back to his life planning session?

“He has it – he says that all of it...  it was everything.”

So was it your teachers who suggested this? My question is, did you suggest it or your teachers, that you would teach that lesson?

He says “It was all of us, everybody agreed upon it.” He goes.. he showed me something interesting. You don’t have a body (back) there – when you agree upon something like this, you don’t feel it, you aren’t connected to it at all... that was interesting (to observe). I went to a spirit space, where you are looking at people who don’t have bodies, you’re looking at how things can work - it’s like looking at a blueprint... sort of thing.

 (Note: Having filmed 50 sessions of people under deep hypnosis, and having filmed a number of “life planning sessions” I can report this is identical to the research.  Some people say it’s like “arguing a PhD to a group of teachers” in their choice of a lifetime, some report going over what they plan to do in an auditorium full of people who can raise their hand and offer to pitch in or participate in some way.  We all agree to these decisions prior to coming here – I know how difficult that is to hear for people who’ve had relatives suffer or who have suffered themselves.  But when under deep hypnosis, people often access these “planning sessions” – and Jennifer, for the first time that I’ve heard it – points out that it’s easier to “plan something” in the blueprint stage, than to be here with the fallout and reverberations of pain or suffering that occur.  However, that doesn’t change what she’s talking about – and it is basically what I’ve heard dozens of times before.  (Including examing the research from Dr. Helen Wambach and Michael Newton). Everyone participates; sometimes they change their minds, but for the most part, they play the role they’ve agreed to play.)

From an engineering perspective?

It took him becoming famous so that it would get to a point where this would be so big (and affect so many humans) that they could heal from it.

How do they heal from it? Specifically thinking of people who were traumatized by some physical act in their own life...  By exposing something on a global scale - it helps people to heal?

“Correct.”

What’s the message in your own words, that might help heal people?

"Just love. Have self love. Know that it or what happened to you wasn’t ... know that you didn’t cause it."

You mean specifically those boys? Or everyone?

"Everyone who has been in (experienced) it."

(Note: In "Hacking the Afterlife" we asked Robin Williams if he had any message for his fans and friends; his reply "Love love."  When we asked what that meant he said "Love is the engine of the universe. Focus on it, explore it, become part of it, and you'll see that's all that matters.")

It’s not that you personally caused it? Correct me if I’m wrong.

"His surroundings did."

So if we’re looking at it like a play and we’re outside the theater, and we say “We’re going to examine these things in this play, but it’s going to be difficult to examine these things, but the purpose is to heal people by exposing it?

When he left the planet, he said “He was taken directly back to the planning session.” 

Okay. Thank you. May I ask, why were you taking that drug that knocked you out, Rohypnol?

“To help him leave.”

You were in a hurry to get home?

"He had his bags packed, waiting."

But you wouldn’t deliberately try to end it all?

“No.”

May I ask, was your consciousness still working while you were in that stupor state, what was your consciousness doing?

He said “He was getting ready to go.” Bags packed. He showed me like a Mayflower moving truck. I just saw the fire.... you know when he caught on fire?

During the Pepsi commercial... Okay. Some did say you never quite recovered from that. If I may ask – did someone abuse you emotionally or physically? Who abused you?

“His father abused him emotionally, and allowed that (other abuse) to happen by being in that industry. But as to who molested him; it felt like an uncle.”

You were molested by someone close?

“Yes. It was someone in the music industry – just feels like an uncle.”

How old were you?

“Five.”

Someone in the music industry?

“Yes.”

But I’ll guess that this “Uncle” was abused as well... the cycle has gone on for everyone. I’m not trying to mitigate it or point a finger.

He knows that.

You said you were... glad... that this documentary came out?

“Yes, that was the point. He had to leave in order for it to come out – because it was so big, many people are able to heal in this way. It took someone as big as him in order to help people heal.”

Okay, Michael thank you – I felt bad because you showed up two weeks ago and we tabled our discussion because we were talking to someone else.

It was to get in your head for our discussion now.

I haven’t seen the film yet and am not looking forward to it. But now I understand why it needed to be made. Thank you for explaining that. (Excerpt from "Backstage Pass to the Flipside: Talking to the Afterlife with Jennifer Shaffer BOOK THREE. All Rights Reserved, copyright Richard Martini 2019)

My two cents.